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Posted: 11 Mar 2006 12:21
by Grigory1
White Rabbit wrote:How do you change the liveries of your planes?
Liveries get out by means of refit

Posted: 11 Mar 2006 16:54
by White Rabbit
That's strange...I've got the latest Planeset, but all the refits I get are these...

Posted: 11 Mar 2006 17:39
by SAC
Could it possibly have something to do with introduction years? I've seen it with other vehicles...

Posted: 11 Mar 2006 18:46
by White Rabbit
I don't think that's the case. There are no new liveries for any planes

Posted: 11 Mar 2006 18:47
by Grigory1
White Rabbit wrote:That's strange...I've got the latest Planeset, but all the refits I get are these...
Planes with the liveries drawn by me do not enter in Planeset that they worked it is necessary to load mine GRF files and to register them in newgrfw.cfg after planeset.grf.

A380 - year 2008

Posted: 12 Mar 2006 03:11
by krtaylor
Right. AFAIK the current public release version of the Planeset does not include any livery variants. The original idea was to release two versions, one of company-color, and one of real-world liveries. But, we can't release a real-world livery version until all the planes have at least one livery, which we are very far from. There are some test GRFs with liveries (e.g. Grigory1's), and I think the current plan is to put the existing liveries in the current company-color set so at least they can be used, but for now there's not really a general public release of them.

Posted: 12 Mar 2006 05:07
by RPharazon
Grigory, the A380 in real life starts service in late 2006. Emirates, Singapore and Qantas already have one each and plan to use them by the end of this year.
This caused me considerable stress in my recent game, since I approached 2006 with a problem only an A380 could tackle, but the A380 never came, losing me about 2 million dollars due to that, until 2008.

Posted: 12 Mar 2006 09:43
by Grigory1
:) Ok, in the new version I shall correct

Posted: 12 Mar 2006 11:23
by Maverick8
how long until the 777 is available grigory?

Posted: 12 Mar 2006 11:52
by Grigory1
Maverick8 wrote:how long until the 777 is available grigory?
:?: :) When I shall write a code...

Posted: 12 Mar 2006 17:02
by Maverick8
something wrong with an 225

the refitable options are wrong

and a321 should be small plane

Posted: 12 Mar 2006 17:25
by Grigory1
1. An-225-it bug in my code after installation Planeset 1.1 I hope that DaleStan will help me to correct a code :oops:
2. А321 It should be corrected in Planeset 1.1

Posted: 12 Mar 2006 20:48
by 459
Maverick8 wrote:and a321 should be small plane
DaleStan, please stick to the chart, at least I gave an eye for airport planning guides of different planes when I assigned numbers. Some planes aren't marked large just for fun. Two words: "Las Vegas" and "Summer"...

Posted: 13 Mar 2006 00:01
by Maverick8
the a320 is small as well

any chance of the a330 and a350?

Posted: 13 Mar 2006 08:43
by Grigory1
On mine A350 too should be included in Planeset because in real the nearest 25-30 years the basic new planes which are being operation will be:
B737-600/-700/-800/-900ER (Next-Generation)
B767
B777
B747-8
B787

A320
A330/A340
A350
A380
A400

Posted: 13 Mar 2006 23:10
by krtaylor
No chance of any more planes, because TTD doesn't allow any more.

Posted: 14 Mar 2006 08:45
by Maverick8
then can we vote to do away with some and include others

Posted: 14 Mar 2006 21:14
by 459
I've designed the small airport capability in a such way that a qualification for a plane to be small-airfield capable is real-world ability to take off at MTOW from a field with lenght of 2000m (6536ft). Boeing 757 barely qualifies, see page 42 of B757 airport planning guide, link below. The calculations are based on sea level figures and standard day environment.

I'll research this further to make things less iffy. I'll post a list which indicates more clearly which planes are small ap and which are not.

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/air ... nuals.html - Boeing and MDD jets

Posted: 14 Mar 2006 21:20
by 459
I really don't see any new planes coming into set. I had to convince krtaylor quite a lot before 1.0 to get rid of some useless planes and to replace them with something more viable.

Then again, I could see the never-to-be-produced Sonic Cruiser axed in favor of A350 but I'm not commenting on that debate.

Posted: 14 Mar 2006 21:58
by 459
I gathered a list of Boeing and MDD planes

707-120 Large
727-100 Slightly over limit, keep small since it has been so before
747-100 Large
747-EUD Large
757-200 Small
767-200 Large
777-200 Large
787-800 Large
DC8-S61 Large
DC9-15 Small
DC10-10 Large
DC9-81 Slightly over limit, keep small since it has been so before

737-200 Large - Definitely, all figures indicate way over 2.5km, change this back, I didn't make it large in 1.0 just to annoy people. The models starting from 300 would qualify for Small but as long as there's no way to "update" the models in TTD by time we don't consider this model.

By a quick search I didn't find respective documents for Airbus aircraft. Someone might want to throw a link since A320 might qualify, considering the readings of pretty comparable 737-800 are pretty equal vs. B727-100 and DC9-81.

Everything else should remain as is.