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Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 15 Mar 2018 13:32
by Wahazar
I am hoping that the Czechoslovakian crisis can calm down with the suggested meeting meant to happen in Munich. Only good can come from a calmer attitude. If Chamberlain manages to stop Nazi Germany territory demands, he is worthy of many applause and it will be a massive boost to his ratings. Rightly so.

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 15 Mar 2018 14:40
by siu238X
McZapkie wrote:
I am hoping that the Czechoslovakian crisis can calm down with the suggested meeting meant to happen in Munich. Only good can come from a calmer attitude. If Chamberlain manages to stop Nazi Germany territory demands, he is worthy of many applause and it will be a massive boost to his ratings. Rightly so.
I am slightly surprised that many of you see Trump or Kim Jong-un as the Hitler while I think Putin or Xi Jing-ping look closer to one.

Kim Jong-un is Mussolini at best...

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 15 Mar 2018 14:48
by Pyoro
Plenty of Hitlers of various degrees around. Erdogan, Assad, Afwerki etcpp. Life's pretty good in the West these days, altogether, but the world itself remains in dire need of fixing ^^;

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 15 Mar 2018 16:11
by michael blunck
Will Russia Wake Up?

regards
Michael

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 15 Mar 2018 16:32
by sevenfm
michael blunck wrote:Will Russia Wake Up?
Don't know who is this guy but he sounds naive.

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 15 Mar 2018 16:34
by Chris
michael blunck wrote:Will Russia Wake Up?

regards
Michael
Or Russia assassinated someone on British soil in a deliberately obvious way to show up how divided the western world is and how isolated the UK is. We have no friend in the world.. no one in the EU is interested due to Brexit and trump cares only for himself

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 15 Mar 2018 16:35
by Pyoro
sevenfm wrote:Don't know who is this guy but he sounds naive.
Almost as if he were brainwashed by Russian propaganda. The irony. ^^

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 15 Mar 2018 16:46
by sevenfm
Chris wrote:Or Russia assassinated someone on British soil in a deliberately obvious way to show up how divided the western world is and how isolated the UK is.
I would look into direction of NS-2 and those who are not interested in it economically.

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 17 Mar 2018 11:29
by Train<In>Vain
siu238X wrote:
McZapkie wrote:
I am hoping that the Czechoslovakian crisis can calm down with the suggested meeting meant to happen in Munich. Only good can come from a calmer attitude. If Chamberlain manages to stop Nazi Germany territory demands, he is worthy of many applause and it will be a massive boost to his ratings. Rightly so.
I am slightly surprised that many of you see Trump or Kim Jong-un as the Hitler while I think Putin or Xi Jing-ping look closer to one.

Kim Jong-un is Mussolini at best...
Kim Jong-un is a pimple on Stalin's αss. I agree that Putin is the biggest threat.

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 17 Mar 2018 12:20
by Simozzz
I agree that Putin is the biggest threat.
I hope you consider him and his army only as a threat. :roll:

Tommorow we'll have an a reelection, but no mater that I'd like to know for whom will you vote if you could (not sure if you know anyone else but mr. P).

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 17 Mar 2018 12:49
by Drury
Simozzz wrote:
I agree that Putin is the biggest threat.
I hope you consider him and his army only as a threat. :roll:

Tommorow we'll have an a reelection, but no mater that I'd like to know for whom will you vote if you could (not sure if you know anyone else but mr. P).
Last I checked there was no one but useful clowns like Zhirinovsky. The entire Russian "political scene" exists only to make Putin look good.

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 19 Mar 2018 01:23
by YNM
McZapkie wrote:
Alternate version wrote:I am hoping that the Czechoslovakian crisis can calm down with the suggested meeting meant to happen in Munich. Only good can come from a calmer attitude. If Chamberlain manages to stop Nazi Germany territory demands, he is worthy of many applause and it will be a massive boost to his ratings. Rightly so.
Unless NK has nowhere to expand to. Their only expansion option is direct death.
Train<In>Vain wrote:
siu238X wrote:I am slightly surprised that many of you see Trump or Kim Jong-un as the Hitler while I think Putin or Xi Jing-ping look closer to one.

Kim Jong-un is Mussolini at best...
Kim Jong-un is a pimple on Stalin's αss. I agree that Putin is the biggest threat.
None of them is a threat IMO. Xi and Putin can't change the status quo; the worst they're going to do is going to be as legal as you westerners have done all the time (pressure, or more pressure). Trump is fine - the country can go on autopilot.

Seriously, I don't get why. The only threat right now is people don't realize there isn't one, they're under impression something is happening a mistake is going to be made, badly.

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 19 Mar 2018 07:46
by michael blunck
Chris wrote: [...] how isolated the UK is. We have no friend in the world.. no one in the EU is interested due to Brexit and trump cares only for himself
But unlike Russia, you Brits have brilliant politicians. Just to name a few, you have Mrs May, you have Boris, and now you even have that Williamson! Not that it´s much better elsewhere in EU ...
Pyoro wrote:
sevenfm wrote: Don't know who is this guy but he sounds naive.
Almost as if he were brainwashed by Russian propaganda. The irony. ^^
Lacking intellectual potence? Helping yourself would have been easy:
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/pages/ ... g-roberts/

HTH
Michael

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 19 Mar 2018 09:34
by sevenfm
michael blunck wrote:Lacking intellectual potence? Helping yourself would have been easy:
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/pages/ ... g-roberts/
Sounds like he is as he makes idiotic statements.

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 19 Mar 2018 10:04
by Pyoro
The main difference between his academic credentials and mine are that he's older. I don't see how that makes him automatically right - and in return I won't claim that it makes me automatically right either. ^^

This sort if argument from authority is pointless. Either a statement has merit on its own. Or it doesn't. A lifetime of being right on X doesn't make anyone right on issue Y.

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 19 Mar 2018 10:42
by Wahazar
siu238X wrote:
McZapkie wrote:
I am hoping that the Czechoslovakian crisis can calm down with the suggested meeting meant to happen in Munich. Only good can come from a calmer attitude. If Chamberlain manages to stop Nazi Germany territory demands, he is worthy of many applause and it will be a massive boost to his ratings. Rightly so.
I am slightly surprised that many of you see Trump or Kim Jong-un as the Hitler while I think Putin or Xi Jing-ping look closer to one.
Seems that I should exclaim my sarcasm more obviously. I wasn't my intention to use argumentum ad Hitlerum, but to point out, that negotiation with authoritarians is leading to nowhere. It is like attempt to pet an alpha wolf trying to calm it down. Your hand will be eaten.

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 19 Mar 2018 13:56
by michael blunck
Pyoro wrote: [PCR] The main difference between his academic credentials and mine are that he's older.
Care to enlighten me about your "academic credentials"? I don´t remember having read anything memorable from you, neither in a book nor in a journal?

regards
Michael

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 19 Mar 2018 14:10
by sevenfm
McZapkie wrote:Seems that I should exclaim my sarcasm more obviously. I wasn't my intention to use argumentum ad Hitlerum, but to point out, that negotiation with authoritarians is leading to nowhere.
That's what they do today - demonize anyone who has something they need with their zombifying TV, and then bomb him, killing thousands of innocent people and destroying whole countries in the process. They call it spreading democracy.

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 19 Mar 2018 14:49
by YNM
McZapkie wrote:... but to point out, that negotiation with authoritarians is leading to nowhere.
This is why you can't speak to a mute person right ?


Hidden sarcasm and technicalities aside, that talk could literally re-cement the Pax Americana notion. The only question is whether the US is properly prepared.

Re: The next Hitler or Quisling or Stalin takes over your country's govt

Posted: 19 Mar 2018 16:35
by Drury
michael blunck wrote:Will Russia Wake Up?

regards
Michael
You may notice that this opinion piece, which, among other things, attacks the mainstream media for a lack of factual reporting, is itself very light on facts. It takes it several paragraphs to get to its first one, that being that the UK has accused Russia of poisoning people on its soil without proper evidence. A bit of digging later, we land at the Bush administration fabricating Saddam Hussein's possession of WMDs. These are actually also the only facts presented in the whole article. The author doesn't cite any sources, I only know they're facts from other, reputable sources.

Other than that, the author tells us the following:

the Russian government, people, and media are all unaware of some kind of western threat due to "brainwashing" by "American propaganda" (variations of this sentiment are repeated across the article)
UK is a country that could be destroyed by Russia
UK is perpetrating an alleged lie about Assad's use of chemical weapons in Syria
UK supporting more unspecified lies about Gaddafi
World War 3 is nigh
open advice to the Russian government to not abide by international law and instead directly threaten the UK with destruction (which honestly sounds like something Zhirinovsky would say)

None of which is sourced, factual reporting, relevant, or should be given any kind of attention. It appeals to emotion, but brings nothing of value to the table. I'm very, very skeptical of this source, regardless of how much approval it seemingly gets (especially seeing how a good chunk of it comes from alt-media of similar caliber).

I recommend using https://mediabiasfactcheck.com for checking your sources for bias and factual reporting. Speaking of which, Mr. Roberts seems to have a past with a highly biased magazine with less than stellar accuracy, something to keep in mind https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/human-events/