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Re: Amtrak Cascades is getting two new Talgo trainsets
Posted: 05 Jun 2012 19:20
by Hyronymus
The Irish wrote:Strange thing to me is that they say Talgo trains were ordered for compatibility reasons with existing trainsets on the line. While this may be true for the coaches itself, as far as I can tell, the engines on the existing sets are different. I don't know the exact type of the existing sets, but it looks like an FP49H or something. So why did they choose to order also the engines from Talgo now?
Did they, I cannot find it written out in the source Spacek531 provided.
Re: Amtrak Cascades is getting two new Talgo trainsets
Posted: 05 Jun 2012 19:45
by PikkaBird
JamieLei wrote:
If that's the case, does anyone know if that's the reason the 37s also have a stupid shaped nose?
Only indirectly. The 'deltic' nose was EE's attempt at americanising their locos to make them more attractive for export. FWIW EE's noses typically contained train heating boilers and traction motor coolers, but there's no reason those things can't be behind the cab in the main engine room.
The Irish, they're not ordering 'engines' from Talgo, this is the control car that goes on the back.
Re: Amtrak Cascades is getting two new Talgo trainsets
Posted: 05 Jun 2012 19:54
by oberhümer
Hyronymus wrote:all modern European MU's have crumple zones in front yet they don't have a long nose.
The requirements are lower - to run a European MU in North America, it needs to be classified as light rail (example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-train).
Also noted before:
PikkaBird wrote:The nose is purely down to FRA crashworthiness requirements
Re: Amtrak Cascades is getting two new Talgo trainsets
Posted: 05 Jun 2012 23:55
by 61653
oberhümer wrote:Hyronymus wrote:all modern European MU's have crumple zones in front yet they don't have a long nose.
The requirements are lower - to run a European MU in North America, it needs to be classified as light rail (example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-train).
And to think LEV1 was trialled in the U.S!
Re: Amtrak Cascades is getting two new Talgo trainsets
Posted: 06 Jun 2012 01:30
by Spacek531
I think it's interesting that some shots of the LEV1 show it having a stunningly similar front end as the train in the original post.
Re: Amtrak Cascades is getting two new Talgo trainsets
Posted: 06 Jun 2012 13:08
by Kevo00
JamieLei wrote:
If that's the case, does anyone know if that's the reason the 37s also have a stupid shaped nose?
I quite like the 37s nose, gives it some personality.
Unlike this Talgo loco which just looks ugly.
Re: Amtrak Cascades is getting two new Talgo trainsets
Posted: 07 Jun 2012 01:33
by 61653
Kevo00 wrote:
I quite like the 37s nose, gives it some personality.
I agree, probably my favourite loco after the 45s and 55s
Kevo00 wrote:
Unlike this Talgo loco which just looks ugly.
If you painted it black, it'd look more like Darth Vader than the 460s! (which look more like wombles to me
)
Re: Amtrak Cascades is getting two new Talgo trainsets
Posted: 07 Jun 2012 07:09
by The Irish
Hyronymus wrote:The Irish wrote:Strange thing to me is that they say Talgo trains were ordered for compatibility reasons with existing trainsets on the line. While this may be true for the coaches itself, as far as I can tell, the engines on the existing sets are different. I don't know the exact type of the existing sets, but it looks like an FP49H or something. So why did they choose to order also the engines from Talgo now?
Did they, I cannot find it written out in the source Spacek531 provided.
third last paragraph
Oregon purchased Talgo trains for these reasons as well as because the state needed to buy the same type equipment that was already in use in the corridor; this way, the new trains can be used in rotation with the existing trainsets providing Cascades service.
Re: Amtrak Cascades is getting two new Talgo trainsets
Posted: 08 Jun 2012 05:43
by Doorslammer
47434 wrote:oberhümer wrote:Hyronymus wrote:all modern European MU's have crumple zones in front yet they don't have a long nose.
The requirements are lower - to run a European MU in North America, it needs to be classified as light rail (example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-train).
And to think LEV1 was trialled in the U.S!
And to think they actually wanted to WIN export orders.
Re: Amtrak Cascades is getting two new Talgo trainsets
Posted: 08 Jun 2012 20:42
by Hyronymus
The Irish wrote:Oregon purchased Talgo trains for these reasons as well as because the state needed to buy the same type equipment that was already in use in the corridor; this way, the new trains can be used in rotation with the existing trainsets providing Cascades service.
All that says is they bought matching trains, nothing about possible matching engines
.