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Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 11 Mar 2010 12:24
by maquinista
But... can I add only the overhead wires?

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 11 Mar 2010 13:01
by Zephyris
maquinista wrote:Maybe, I could try to create a vacuum tube maglev, replacing only the catenary graphics, without drawing ground sprites.
It is not the easiest thing to do (especially junctions) but I have made and coded almost all the sprites for this (all sprites except slopes and tunnel entrances), help yourself: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php? ... 67#p613767

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 11 Mar 2010 16:17
by FooBar
I think you can modify MONO for it to have overhead wires, but you cannot copy MONO to MON2 and then only change MON2. I believe.

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 11 Mar 2010 18:00
by vanOekelen
Is a rail type which supports normal, monorail and maglev trains possible?
That would be ideal as temporary rails for a full rail conversion between different rail types.

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 11 Mar 2010 18:30
by maquinista
I will try to make a covered version of the monorail, but It will replace the current monorail, :( because my idea was reuse the current sprites, adding only the tube sprites.

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 11 Mar 2010 18:34
by Zephyris
Use OpenGFX and GPL, then you can do whatever you want with the sprites...

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 11 Mar 2010 18:39
by SwissFan91
What's the situation on Narrow Gauge with Catenary? Do new sprites need to be drawn, or?

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 11 Mar 2010 19:05
by maquinista
Zephyris wrote:Use OpenGFX and GPL, then you can do whatever you want with the sprites...
Yes, but I prefer a GRF very simple, with as few sprites as possible.

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 11 Mar 2010 19:10
by DJ Nekkid
jake.grimshaw wrote:What's the situation on Narrow Gauge with Catenary? Do new sprites need to be drawn, or?
The status that they are sitting nicely in my mailbox, but i've not done anything witht them yet :)

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 11 Mar 2010 19:13
by SwissFan91
Ah, ok :) Hopefully the release of my Swiss scenario may encourage you to act ? :P

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 12 Mar 2010 10:50
by Leanden
Im very sketchy on the whole original graphics thing, could you not make the tracks using the original gfx, but then code it so it only works if you have the original files, otherwise use the OpenGFX?

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 12 Mar 2010 11:46
by Zephyris
Leanden wrote:could you not make the tracks using the original gfx, but then code it so it only works if you have the original files, otherwise use the OpenGFX?
It is impossible for a grf to tell which set of base graphics a player is using. This is intentional; if a grf changed behaviour according to base graphics set it could cause desynchs in multiplayer.

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 12 Mar 2010 12:11
by FooBar
vanOekelen wrote:Is a rail type which supports normal, monorail and maglev trains possible?
Yes.

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 12 Mar 2010 12:27
by CommanderZ
FooBar wrote:
vanOekelen wrote:Is a rail type which supports normal, monorail and maglev trains possible?
Yes.
What about making a railtype, which supports all the trains, but has 0 speed? It could simplify upgrading rail -> maglev quite a lot.

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 12 Mar 2010 12:36
by Yexo
CommanderZ wrote:
FooBar wrote:
vanOekelen wrote:Is a rail type which supports normal, monorail and maglev trains possible?
Yes.
What about making a railtype, which supports all the trains, but has 0 speed? It could simplify upgrading rail -> maglev quite a lot.
Minimun speed is 1, otherwise it's possible.

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 13 Mar 2010 06:59
by Emperor Jake
Here's what I would do:
I would use the extra track types to represent digfferent voltages used in Europe, indicated by different-looking catenary. I would use the 3 main voltages used in Europe: 15 kV AC for Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden and Norway; 25 kV AC for high-speed lines, North France, England, much of Eastern Europe; 3 kV DC for Italy, Poland, Spain and Russia. Some locomotives are multi-system and can travel on some or all voltages.

A question: How do you code new track types?
I would use Standard Gauge in 3 voltages, 1000 mm gauge for Swiss narrow gauge railways such as RhB, 750 mm for the Mariazeller Bahn and industrial railways, Russian gauge, Metro Track, Maglev for Transrapid, etc... The posibilities are endless :D

(edit) Another question: Is it possible to code one locomotive to work on either one track type or another, without crossing over?

Just my ideas
- Jake

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 13 Mar 2010 09:31
by DJ Nekkid
Emperor Jake wrote:The posibilities are endless
Im afraid not, as there are a max number of railtypes in a single game of 16 railtypes...

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 14 Mar 2010 01:29
by Emperor Jake
DJ Nekkid wrote:
Emperor Jake wrote:The posibilities are endless
Im afraid not, as there are a max number of railtypes in a single game of 16 railtypes...
16? That should be more than enough. :D

1. 1435 mm, unelectrified
2. 1435 mm, 15 kV AC
3. 1435 mm, 25 kV AC
4. 1435 mm, 3 kV DC
5. 1435 mm, 1.5 kV DC
6. 1520 mm, unelectrified
7. 1520 mm, 25 kV AC
8. 1520 mm, 3 kV DC
9. 1000 mm, unelectrified
10. 1000 mm, electrified
11. 750 mm, unelectrified
12. 750 mm, electrified
13. Metro (3rd rail)
14. Maglev (Transrapid)
15. A funicular or cable car maybe?

Another question: Any chance this will be implemented in road types as well?
How about:
Suspended Monorail
Tram
Dirt Road
Trolley Bus
Norrmal Road
High Speed Road
Other creative uses of road type have been suggested, eg invisible "subway"

- Jake

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 14 Mar 2010 02:49
by Snail
Emperor Jake wrote:
DJ Nekkid wrote:
Emperor Jake wrote:The posibilities are endless
Im afraid not, as there are a max number of railtypes in a single game of 16 railtypes...
16? That should be more than enough. :D

1. 1435 mm, unelectrified
2. 1435 mm, 15 kV AC
3. 1435 mm, 25 kV AC
4. 1435 mm, 3 kV DC
5. 1435 mm, 1.5 kV DC
6. 1520 mm, unelectrified
7. 1520 mm, 25 kV AC
8. 1520 mm, 3 kV DC
9. 1000 mm, unelectrified
10. 1000 mm, electrified
11. 750 mm, unelectrified
12. 750 mm, electrified
13. Metro (3rd rail)
14. Maglev (Transrapid)
15. A funicular or cable car maybe?
Sounds interesting... but this would include no differentiation among tracks of the same type based on speed/axle weight :roll:

Re: New Rail Types

Posted: 14 Mar 2010 04:01
by DJ Nekkid
Snail and jake:
As more or less explained in the NG pm there is a few things that isnt defines as is in the train action0
Axle load
kind.of-electrification
voltage-of-electrification
gauge

So, a trainset wont be compatible with a railset out of the box unless support is added specificaly. In time new and updated (version 2 or 3 or whatnot) sets. So, as saied in the PM. Axle load cant be calculated. The only thing that can is max speed and if the railtype give power or not to an engine.