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Agreed. Perhaps a moderator could delete the discussion between Gadg8eer and myself.Andrew350 wrote: 10 Jun 2020 22:44 Seeing as the discussion is leading away from the main topic, perhaps it is best moved to PMs or split off to a new development thread
All in all the result looks much better and I think I'm happy with it for now, so now it's on to the next one!Thanks
Each piece of the tube is actually two pieces which fit together with different levels of transparency, which is how the glass looks like it's sort of wavy or ribbed (still playing with the levels). It makes working with this bridge a lot more complicated than what I normally do, since each piece has to be layered and fit together perfectly in order to get the transparency effect right. I normally just draw everything as-is in Paint and only use GIMP for special things, so it's a bit different using it for the majority of the drawing process. 
Awesome! I'm looking forward to this, not a single bridge set is compatible with NRT, let alone custom bridge heads. NRT compatibility could lead to custom bridge head compatibility with the right modifications.Andrew350 wrote: 03 Sep 2020 04:22 Hi all, it's been almost two weeks since my last update, but I've still been (slowly) working on this. I got a bit bored with widening the existing bridges so I decided to have a go at something a little more fun:
tubular_bridge_preview.png
I've been sort of struggling to come up with ideas for more "futuristic" bridges to include for the later years, especially things which can be done nicely within OpenTTD's restrictions. There's just not a lot of unique designs that look good in an isometric view with a small repeating layout. So I decided to just work with what's already there, and give a new look to the tubular bridge.
The design was pretty tricky, and not just because of the awkward curves. I tried it first with "flat" glass but it looked a bit too boring, so I had to go and make it more complicated
The bridge is still very much a work in progress (I only have this one view done so far) but I wanted to share it anyway. I'm still not sure what to do with the bridge heads, since the glass railings didn't quite work out like I was hoping. And I'm still considering trying to add some kind of "stripes" or something to the main tube to try to spice it up a little, but at this point I'm just happy to have the basic design in place and working in-game
Meanwhile, the other thing I've been spending time on in the past couple weeks was finally diving in to the specs and figuring out how to get parameters working. After a little bit of hair-pulling-out due to conflicting with the GRM, I managed to sort it out, so the next release will have a couple basic parameters for setting speeds and intro dates. I'm still not going to make settings for every bridge individually, but both options have "Sandbox" mode so you don't have to worry about speeds or introduction dates at all, something I personally will always have on
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Not trying to rush you, but have you made any more progress? It would be nice to at least see some screenshots!
Not at the moment, sorry; I sort of got distracted with Wasteland for a whileGadg8eer wrote: 28 Sep 2020 03:12 Not trying to rush you, but have you made any more progress? It would be nice to at least see some screenshots!
I do have a little bit of something in the form of the wooden road bridge, which I gave a little sprucing up and the obligatory widening to accommodate roadtypes. This bridge doesn't need nearly as drastic of a remodel as some of the others thanks to its simplicity, but still a little bit of tweaking is necessary. So, while I'm at it, just like the others I figured I ought to have a go at improving the texture a bit, even though probably 95% of people will use it with roadtypes and will never see it, which is a shame. I'm still holding out hope that someday road and railtype surfaces on bridges will be optional (along with all the other additions the bridge spec needs) As you can now have many roadtypes in a game, you could make a few roadtypes just for bridge surfaces...Andrew350 wrote: 15 Oct 2020 06:58 probably 95% of people will use it with roadtypes and will never see it, which is a shame.
Well yeah, but that's a bit over-complicated I thinkQuast65 wrote: 16 Oct 2020 08:20 As you can now have many roadtypes in a game, you could make a few roadtypes just for bridge surfaces...
Plus it clutters the roadtype list with roads which are effectively useless 99.9% of the time, even for eyecandy.
Here is the current family portrait of all bridges available:Code: Select all
| SPEED SETTING |
id | type | year | low | high | transport types
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00 wood - 0 - 25 mph - 40 mph - road + rail
01 stone - 0 - 35 mph - 80 mph - road + rail
02 steel truss - 1870 - 60 mph - 100 mph - road + rail
03 cable-stayed - 1990 - 200 mph - 350 mph - road + rail
04 - - - -
05 - - - -
06 plate girder - 1920 - 80 mph - 140 mph - road + rail
07 concrete - 1960 - 120 mph - 200 mph - road + rail
08 - - - -
09 covered - 1850 - 40 mph - 60 mph - road + rail
10 tubular - 2010 - 400 mph - 800 mph - road
11 - - - -
12 - - - -Nice! I modified it a tiny bit because the NW-SE road cable-stayed bridge has a hole in it when used with JGRPP custom bridge heads. Full credits to you.Andrew350 wrote: 13 Dec 2020 18:48 Hello all!
After much delay I'm finally ready to release the 0.5 update, bringing mostly graphical changes to the existing bridges plus a couple other things. It's not much for how long its been since the last update, but, what else is new
Highlights:
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All existing bridges have been modified to allow for road and railtypes to fit seamlessly into their profile, hopefully eliminating the ugly overlapping of the bridge overlays. One tiny caveat to that: not all railtype NewGRFs are guaranteed to fit perfectly. I tried about a dozen different railtype GRFs, and unfortunately unlike roadtype NewGRFs, there seems to be a bit more variety in the size and offsets of the bridge overlays between different sets, making a one-size-fits-all solution basically impossible without some quite extreme (read: ugly) widening of the bridge heads to accommodate all possibilities. As a result I had to compromise "perfect" for "good enough" and just accept that some railtypes will cause overlaps (NATS and Termite were notable in my tests, for example). In most cases though, the overlap, if any, should be minor and hardly noticeable
On a similar note, there was an ugly problem with some bridges (worst was concrete viaduct) where the bridge decking would poke through between the overlays when using railtypes due to some erroneous pixels. I never noticed before due to never really using railtypes myself, but that should now be fixed
Speaking of pixels, some of the bridges received a bit of an art pass to improve quality. The biggest changes were shown off earlier, with some additional tweaks elsewhere.
The one true addition in this release is the new tubular bridge shown earlier. In the interest of time I opted to only include the road version for now and work on the rail version later, since it will require a complete rework of the shape to get it right. With how slow I am, I'm not sure when that will get done, so I might as well release what I have
Sonfingbridge Transport, 2077-05-22.png
Also as mentioned before, I've now included parameters with a "sandbox" setting to allow disabling introduction dates (all bridges available from year 0) and increasing speed limits (either "increased" or "sandbox" [set to max]). Note with the speed setting: the actual speed limit is still influenced by the road or railtype used, i.e. the lowest speed wins. Here's an updated table showing the current stats:
As you can see, there are still 5 empty bridge slots, plus the monorail and maglev variations left to do. I still haven't quite decided what to put in those slots yet, so suggestions are welcomeCode: Select all
| SPEED SETTING | id | type | year | low | high | transport types ---------------------------- 00 wood - 0 - 25 mph - 40 mph - road + rail 01 stone - 0 - 35 mph - 80 mph - road + rail 02 steel truss - 1870 - 60 mph - 100 mph - road + rail 03 cable-stayed - 1990 - 200 mph - 350 mph - road + rail 04 - - - - 05 - - - - 06 plate girder - 1920 - 80 mph - 140 mph - road + rail 07 concrete - 1960 - 120 mph - 200 mph - road + rail 08 - - - - 09 covered - 1850 - 40 mph - 60 mph - road + rail 10 tubular - 2010 - 400 mph - 800 mph - road 11 - - - - 12 - - - -
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That's all for this release! This update is compatible with previous releases, so feel free to update your savegames. I especially recommend it if you are playing with roadtypes; the improvements to the road bridges alone is worth the upgrade
Please do let me know if you encounter any issues, and as always, enjoy!
Would it be possible for you to make a GRF that only replaces bridge 05 with the Cable-Stayed bridge? I understand if that's too much to ask. Thanks for your hard work!
I can probably make one in a few days for you, I'll send a PM when it's done.Gadg8eer wrote: 14 Mar 2021 19:48 Would it be possible for you to make a GRF that only replaces bridge 05 with the Cable-Stayed bridge? I understand if that's too much to ask. Thanks for your hard work!