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Ok, so I started a new game to get the before and after save and here they are!George wrote:Well, I need 2 save games. One before it happened and one - after.JFK wrote:Hi again!
I have come across some problems with the ECS vectors. I'm playing on a temperet map and for a long while everything is working fine! Untill, suddenly, A LOT ofthe industries simply dissapear! And the strange thing is that it's not only the ones that are unused but everyon on the map. Is this a glitch or are the ECS vectors programed to do this, I did get a notis, aproximetly, one year earlier that if one perticullar indutrie, in this case a tinning factory, did not get good servic it would go out of bussines. But when this one whent gone every other industry in this vector disapeard too!
Can this be fixed???
You need ECS agricultural vectorhYpe_ wrote:Hm, doesn't seem to be solved.
I'm trying to use the wood vector in the arctic climate.
When I load the GRF it removes the food factory.
How are the cities above snow line supposed to grow without food?
yes, a very small amountHamilton2007 wrote:Got some questions about chemical plants.
Does it produce Dyes even when it's not feeded with Refined Products ?
It depends how effective are they. IF you get any of the list below, that is enoughHamilton2007 wrote:If i build a truckstation and let a truck full load Dyes, does that prevent the chemical plant from closure ?
As you can sea on the screen shot, industries have informed you that they would close. 1 month remaining means closure next month. So, the picture looks like expected.JFK wrote:Ok, so I started a new game to get the before and after save and here they are!George wrote:Well, I need 2 save games. One before it happened and one - after.JFK wrote:Hi again!
I have come across some problems with the ECS vectors. I'm playing on a temperet map and for a long while everything is working fine! Untill, suddenly, A LOT ofthe industries simply dissapear! And the strange thing is that it's not only the ones that are unused but everyon on the map. Is this a glitch or are the ECS vectors programed to do this, I did get a notis, aproximetly, one year earlier that if one perticullar indutrie, in this case a tinning factory, did not get good servic it would go out of bussines. But when this one whent gone every other industry in this vector disapeard too!
Can this be fixed???
Although I have a question, if you fix this is it going to work everytime I play a new game or only this game? Thx A LOT for the help!
ad 1) - How do you increase the level to 4% or more? Is this documented somewhere?George wrote:It depends how effective are they. IF you get any of the list below, that is enoughHamilton2007 wrote:If i build a truckstation and let a truck full load Dyes, does that prevent the chemical plant from closure ?
1) production level is 4% or higher
2) amount of all materials waiting is 1024 or higher
3) it is younger than 5(2) years (5 for ones, existing from the beginning)
4) last one on the map
You have to supply the industry with enough materials. For some industries it is documented at http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ECSgriffin71 wrote:Hi, I have a question about the closure of industries, or rather - how to prevent them.ad 1) - How do you increase the level to 4% or more? Is this documented somewhere?George wrote:It depends how effective are they. IF you get any of the list below, that is enoughHamilton2007 wrote:If i build a truckstation and let a truck full load Dyes, does that prevent the chemical plant from closure ?
1) production level is 4% or higher
2) amount of all materials waiting is 1024 or higher
3) it is younger than 5(2) years (5 for ones, existing from the beginning)
4) last one on the map
the sumgriffin71 wrote:ad 2) - Is that te total sum of all materials, or should there be 1024 of one specific cargo be waiting?
Some industries, like farms, forests, power plants are closed when they get into town zone. Also mines can get exhausted. If it is not your case - provide a savegame, please.griffin71 wrote:I have an example where over the last 5 months there has been material waiting to be processed continuously, yet it closes.
This cement industry (see savegame) is not yet in the list on the wiki.George wrote:(...)You have to supply the industry with enough materials. For some industries it is documented at http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ECS
For some industries there is no documentation yet, but you can help to create it.
Savegame with continuous delivery to Finwell Cement Plant. Closes by 1 jan next year, despite continuous availability of sand for the 4 months remaining until then.George wrote:(...)Some industries, like farms, forests, power plants are closed when they get into town zone. Also mines can get exhausted. If it is not your case - provide a savegame, please.griffin71 wrote:I have an example where over the last 5 months there has been material waiting to be processed continuously, yet it closes.
That is easygriffin71 wrote:This cement industry (see savegame) is not yet in the list on the wiki.George wrote:(...)You have to supply the industry with enough materials. For some industries it is documented at http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ECS
For some industries there is no documentation yet, but you can help to create it.
How can I create the documentation if I don't know how ik works exactly?
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ID New name Vector Level New tiles 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 14 15 17 18 19 1A (reverced) 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F 20 20(%)
19 Cement works Constuction 2 81 04h 4833h 4835h 4839h 128 1Ch 11h,1Eh 30 NONE 4 1 74h 00 00 00 00h 482Dh 00 00 01 00h 00 00 01 00h 00 00 01 00h DCE5h FFFFFFFFh 100% 
Sorry, I do not see Finwell Cement Plant in the savegriffin71 wrote:Savegame with continuous delivery to Finwell Cement Plant. Closes by 1 jan next year, despite continuous availability of sand for the 4 months remaining until then.George wrote:(...)Some industries, like farms, forests, power plants are closed when they get into town zone. Also mines can get exhausted. If it is not your case - provide a savegame, please.griffin71 wrote:I have an example where over the last 5 months there has been material waiting to be processed continuously, yet it closes.
Note: this savegame is based in nightly 18748 with the dist patch. This patch does not influence the industries themselves, only the distibution of what is produced to the various destinations serviced.
Where it is?Could you reproduce the problem in the clean trunk?griffin71 wrote:Sould be in the centre of your screen when loading the savegame.
I've tried that, and stumbled on different problems.George wrote:Could you reproduce the problem in the clean trunk?griffin71 wrote:Sould be in the centre of your screen when loading the savegame.
"From" for primary industries, "to" for secondary industriesgriffin71 wrote:I've tried that, and stumbled on different problems.George wrote:Could you reproduce the problem in the clean trunk?griffin71 wrote:Sould be in the centre of your screen when loading the savegame.
1. It would be very helpful to the players if the request for better service would be specified more precisely -- I discovered that sometimes, it is the transport to the industry that should improve, whereas at other times it is the transport from the industry that's insufficient;
wrong. Transporting FOOD does not affect FPP's service ratinggriffin71 wrote:2. The food processing plant requires good service, but that means also that it needs good transportation of food. But the FPP closed before there were any towns accepting food.
You need ECS Houses or other set thet provides houses which generate tourists.griffin71 wrote:3. Now, food is also accepted by tourist centres, but they require tourists first. And so far even large cities have not produced any tourists. Why?
Correct, with exception - The last mine exhausted will close.griffin71 wrote:4. It happens that all instances of certain industries are closed. If I'm well informed, always 1 instance of each industry should remain open.
I can't test issue 2 because the industry already informed about closure. You need to provide a savegame there remaining life is about 12 months. As for issue 3, there is no appropriate houses set loaded.griffin71 wrote:Attached is a savegame showing issues 2 and 3 based on release 0.7.5. Chinshaw Springs should have at least the size (4,811) to supply tourists.
Yesgriffin71 wrote:Ahm, let us agree on what testing set-up is appropriate first then.
I now have the following list, is that one OK?
Correctgriffin71 wrote:Furthermore, which NewGRF contains houses suited for supplying tourists and accepting food? Or is that still under development?
Edit: found ECS Houses via GRFCrawler.
"no closure at all" would be available only in beta 6 of ECS vectors.viking42 wrote:Hi,
lready posted this question, but probably in a dead topic.
Ive openTTD, and i'm doing some mapmaking tests.
Is there any parameter or trcik in ECS to prevent any industry to close?
till now ive tried parameter 2, 4 and 8 on all ECS modules but without any success
OK, so here's a new savegame meeting the conditions outline above.George wrote:"From" for primary industries, "to" for secondary industriesgriffin71 wrote:1. It would be very helpful to the players if the request for better service would be specified more precisely -- I discovered that sometimes, it is the transport to the industry that should improve, whereas at other times it is the transport from the industry that's insufficient;
(...)
I can't test issue 2 because the industry already informed about closure. You need to provide a savegame there remaining life is about 12 months. As for issue 3, there is no appropriate houses set loaded.griffin71 wrote:Attached is a savegame showing issues 2 and 3 based on release 0.7.5. Chinshaw Springs should have at least the size (4,811) to supply tourists.
Also, there other industries sets loaded in the save, that (theoretically) can also cause problems.
Conditions are not metgriffin71 wrote:OK, so here's a new savegame meeting the conditions outline above.
Here again, a Cement works (Scabbot Bay) is closing, despite an apropriate deliverance of sand.
It would require one more string. I do not see much profit here. I've added it to todo list with the lowest priority.1. Industries state 'Closure: no' in case there is no closure threat, or 'Closure: in nn months', in case there is.
I've added it to todo list with the lowest priority.2. Secondary industries state which cargo they need (in sensible amounts) to prevent closure. E.g. 'Minimal monthly demand: sand (250 tonnes) or lime (150 tonnes)' (arbitrary amounts used) Such a statement is very helpful for the player