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I do believe the electrostar is already in either UKRS2 or UKRS2+ mostly because i have some running in my game, have u got electric rails built.

Some Electrostars are 3rd Rail, so they won't appear with non-compatible track if you don't have it

doxlulzem wrote:Some Electrostars are 3rd Rail, so they won't appear with non-compatible track if you don't have it

The elecrostar in this set is Dual Voltage so should appear in 3rd rail and overhead lines.

The indent in the roof of the 3rd carriage contains a pantograph for overhead lies while the bogeys at the front have shoegear attached for third rails (the power source in the photo), so it can run off either

There's a dual-votage Electrostar in UKRS2.

So what is it you wanted?

i dont see it-it might not be in the versions I am using (I am using UKRS2 and UKRS2+ for OTTD v1.3.3-i would be using a more up-to-date version but my old saves were from 1.3.3)

I have fixed the BBCode for the pic of what i was describing, but I do not know a way to downsize it, so sorry for the rather large image!

aaaaargh nvm i have constantly overlooked it all this time when it was right under my nose for 62 ingame years, i am such an unobservant numpty [derpface]

Does anyone else find playing this grf basically miserable after 2000? The cost of running trains keeps going up, but they can't run any faster because the freight cars stop improving in 1985, locking you to speeds as low as 65 mph/104 kmh, so more and more trains end up running at a loss. Hell, eventually you can't even build trains to run livestock!

There is a mod you can get that enables the default wagons, not sure of the name though. I do side with you in thinking that the livestock cars that come with this mod are really crappy though, especially if you are using UKRS2 with a high-production ECS/default animal farm.

bvoice360 wrote:There is a mod you can get that enables the default wagons, not sure of the name though.

I believe its OpenGFX trains, but it'll look very silly with its larger scale compared to URKS2]

EDIT : I just started a game in OpenTTD 1.5.0 in the year 2015 and I'm seeing a variety of stuff that runs at 60MPH (104 Km\h) or Faster. I dunno how some of you people play but I'm still able to make a profit on freight and passenger in modern times

Kouban wrote:Does anyone else find playing this grf basically miserable after 2000? The cost of running trains keeps going up, but they can't run any faster because the freight cars stop improving in 1985, locking you to speeds as low as 65 mph/104 kmh, so more and more trains end up running at a loss. Hell, eventually you can't even build trains to run livestock!

There's an element of realism in both of those things, although Pikka has basically suggested this was a bad route to follow and has ripped back the mechanics for Pineapple to be more game play friendly.

Put simply, in the UK, most freight vehicles are limited to 60-75mph. Certainly no freight is booked to run quicker than that (except mail).

Livestock movements really stopped when the "modal shift" happened - it's cheaper to move your cow by lorry. As the railway reacted to the more general move to the road and intermodal container traffic, lots of smaller goods yards (and station sidings etc) ceased to exist, and the desire to move a couple of cows to the station near the market by rail disappeared with it.

So there are no livestock trains now (and probably not since Dr Beeching). Ergo there's no Van.

You can work around the lack-of-livestock-van issue if you have a well-connected network by building a whole bunch of livestock vans in the early years in various depots in your network, and in later years they will still be there when you want them, even if they have disappeared from the purchase menu. So, since wagon ages are pretty irrelevant, you can dust off your old strategic reserve of vans and hook them up to new engines to form livestock trains even in later years. You have the added excitement of needing to re-use existing depots and route new trains off to new stations using existing network tracks, which IMO is a tad more fun than just building an entirely new self-contained point-to-point connection.

Kouban wrote:The cost of running trains keeps going up

Turn off inflation before starting your next game. The TTD inflation model is fundamentally broken for reasons explained elsewhere on these forums.

The lack of a later livestock van really is realism gone mad, though. Perhaps I should do a recode of this set, similar to NARS 2.5?

PikkaBird wrote:Perhaps I should do a recode of this set, similar to NARS 2.5?

A recode with a Pacer quickly shoved in would make me rather exciteable

Is there no Pacer in the addon set? Sounds like an oversight someone should address.

PikkaBird wrote:Is there no Pacer in the addon set? Sounds like an oversight someone should address.

Not that I have ever come across, pretty much everything except! Sprinters, Turbostars, the works, but no Pacer!

PikkaBird wrote:Perhaps I should do a recode of this set, similar to NARS 2.5?

Didn't me and Dan do that already? A kingdom for your horse: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=71219

I dunno about a recode/remake of UKRS 2 like NARS 2.5, that ended up removing a lot of things I liked and now I find it hard to use NARS 2 as much as I did before.

If anything it'd be nice if we could keep the variety of engines we have already, even if theres only minor differences in stats and costs for some engines, just gives you more reason to be prudent in finding the exact locomotive for your needs, no more using high speed engines for long distance freight runs, or incredibly slow passenger trains where the people (and engineer) probably die from old age before they get to their stop.

I think things are mostly fine at the moment, though we could probably have some slight changes or additions for modern usage (maybe we could pretend that the UK still uses Livestock vans in modern times and thus make up our own british themed livestock wagon?)

Could also maybe add an over speed feature to the wagons like the old 2cc (NFO version) had, there by increasing running costs when wagons are run faster then their rated/service speeds. This should only be available on modern wagons that can run faster but rules and regulations disallow higher speeds. If at all possible higher speeds should also wear down the trains reliablity faster then if it where to remain at or below service speed, simulating increased wear and tear from the forces of running at higher then normal speeds.

Eh, you could just add Iron Horse, use the 85mph Livestock Car it provides, and hide the rest of IH in buy menu.

(Most of the Iron Horse wagons are from UKRS 2, some repainted, some not).

PikkaBird wrote:Is there no Pacer in the addon set? Sounds like an oversight someone should address.

Add a pacer for carrying livestock