Some Requests (Help Needed)

[RL Conroy]

I Completed Yesterday my Station GRF but now is the Question: Can i Release that?
They are the Graphics from the Original TTD Industries

And what is the Color "Magic Brown" (In Palette is it named "Block Cycles")? What does it do in Gameplay?

Oh and can we now Create a Station w/ Animation?

[Ammler]

if you have included the graphics in your grf, you shouldn't.

You could reuse baseset graphics with grf, no need to copy those.

[RL Conroy]

if you have included the graphics in your grf, you shouldn't.

Oh Okay Thanks. All i want to know

You could reuse baseset graphics with grf, no need to copy those.

But ths GRF is a Station GRF not a Industry GRF with the TTD Graphics Reused to Create your Own Industry.
I Recoded a Other GRF and Reedited everything to get this Station GRF.
It was Fun to Recode!

[frosch]

And what is the Color "Magic Brown" (In Palette is it named "Block Cycles")? What does it do in Gameplay?

Advertisement. Everything recolour related can be figured out using http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttdviewer
In your case: The brown colour cycle is the fizzy-drinks colour cycle. I have no idea who and why called it "block cycle".

And what Ammler means: You do not have to include the graphics of a baseset into your grf to use them. You can reference them. That is, station spritelayouts can reference both sprites from action1 and from basesets.

[RL Conroy]

In your case: The brown colour cycle is the fizzy-drinks colour cycle

Oh There is it Used for! Thanks frosch!

You do not have to include the graphics of a baseset into your grf to use them

But i did it Simpler because doing that is hard. But i will give it a Try

And may i Release this then...
I reused some Sprites from the Avatar from user "pseudoprometheus" (Look beneath) and the Sign Layout from user "WRH" to create: OpenTTD Advertisement!

[ISA]

Nice ones... But those signs can used as NewObjects what is in implantation at the moment

[RL Conroy]

But you can Create it to Advertise to OpenTTD on your TrainStation or Airport!
I wanna see that in Real Life... You are coming out of a Train very Late and then you see This Billboard that says:
"Do you hate it to get late? Just Try OpenTTD! Then You are the Manager!"

I'm also going to Create Traffic Signs and Other Stuff!
I also am Creating a Statue now with the SteamTrain "Chaney Jubilee" and a Statue with the Airplane "Yate Haugan"...

[Ammler]

And may i Release this then...
I reused some Sprites from this Avatar (Look beneath) and the Sign Layout from user "WRH" to create: OpenTTD Advertisement!

If you need to ask, if you can release something, then the answer is simple: NO.

But simply look at the sources you copied it from and search for license, then check the license if it does allow derivates and under which circumstances. If you don't find a license, you aren't allowed.

In all cases, it might be easier to just ask the author of the sprites you reuse.

[RL Conroy]

If you need to ask, if you can release something, then the answer is simple: NO

Okay. That is Good. I Asked before i Do. But when you Completely Created it Yourself (The Graphics) can you Release it then?

Oh and i have a Problem: I Created a GRF to build Statues in Company Colours but when you Build it in OpenTTD it Show the Default Colors (Blue).
That is not what i want!
I want Company Colours!

[zero.eight]

Nice idea with the statues

But when you Completely Created it Yourself (The Graphics) can you Release it then?

If you created the graphics and code, yes.

Oh and i have a Problem: I Created a GRF to build Statues in Company Colours but when you Build it in OpenTTD it Show the Default Colors (Blue).
That is not what i want!
I want Company Colours!

If you are using stations, you need to set bit 15 in the sprite number in the Action 00 Property 09 for the relevant station e.g. if the current sprite number is 0x0000042D, use 0x0000842D to draw the sprite using company colours.

You can avoid including a sprite in the GRF if it is part of the base set, which would allow you to release it (assuming you can't get permission to use someone else's work). So you could release the Yate Haugan statue if the code references the relevant sprite in the base set (assuming you haven't coded it like this already). To do so, use the sprite number of the Yate Haugan sprite and set bit 31.

[RL Conroy]

Nice idea with the statues

Thanks. I have More Ideas like that!

If you created the graphics and code, yes

Okay thanks for Telling me that.

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2 * 82	 00 04 07 01 00 08 "IST1" 0C FE 0D FE 11 00 14 FF 15 FF 09 04 1D 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 05 01
	 2D 04 00 00 80 1D 08 00 00 00 00 00 05 10 0F 2E 04 00 00 80 1D 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 05 01 2D 04
	 00 00 80 1D 08 00 00 00 00 00 05 10 0F 2E 04 00 00 80
3 * 4	 01 04 01 02
4 sprites/Statues.pcx 82 8 09 52 64 -31 -21
5 sprites/Statues.pcx 162 8 09 56 64 -31 -25
6 * 7	 02 04 00 00 01 00 00
7 * 7	 03 04 01 00 00 00 00
8 * 17	 04 04 9F 01 00 "ÅAirplane 1" 00

(This is the Code for the Yate Haugan Statue)
Where must i add that Value? At 15 FF? Bcause it sound a Little bit Confusing...

EDIT: Oh yes i Discovered something Strange: When i Reedited the GRFID and Tested it Together with "Industrial Station Tiles" & "Airplane/Train Statues" i Discover that "Industrial Station Tiles" & "Airplane/Train Statues" are Merged together!
What did i do Wrong?
This are the ID's:

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08 06 "ST" 83 07

Airplane/Train Statues

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08 06 "IS" 83 07

Industrial Station Tiles

[zero.eight]

Where must i add that Value? At 15 FF?

Bit 15 of the sprite number. Your sprite numbers in (big endian) hex are 0000042D+X. You need to set bit 15 in the binary value of the sprite number, then convert it back to hex.

Short answer: Make your hex numbers 0000842D+X, or 2D 84 00 00 in little endian.

Long answer:

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0x0000042D (hex) = 00000000000000000000010000101101 (binary)  (=1069 decimal)

You need to set bit 15:
00000000000000000000010000101101 (binary)
^ bit 31        ^        bit 0 ^
                ^
              bit 15

which gives:
00000000000000001000010000101101

converted to hex:
0000842D

EDIT: Oh yes i Discovered something Strange: When i Reedited the GRFID and Tested it Together with "Industrial Station Tiles" & "Airplane/Train Statues" i Discover that "Industrial Station Tiles" & "Airplane/Train Statues" are Merged together!
What did i do Wrong?
This are the ID's:

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08 06 "ST" 83 07

Airplane/Train Statues

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08 06 "IS" 83 07

Industrial Station Tiles

If you want them in separate classes, they need to have different class IDs. But the ID's you posted don't look right. If the first 08 means property 08 then 06 "ST" 83 and 06 "IS" 83 are separate, valid IDs as far as I can tell, so they should put the station into different classes. In that case, the 07 on the end doesn't look like it should be there. Property 08 requires a doubleword (4bytes) but you have given it 5 bytes.

[RL Conroy]

Make your hex numbers 0000842D+X, or 2D 84 00 00 in little endian

I Really don't get it.
I'm Sorry but can you Post a Reedited Code so i can see what you Exactly mean?

Property 08 requires a doubleword (4bytes) but you have given it 5 bytes

I Copied this Code from a GRF I Created Earlier. Do i must Remove the "07" then?

EDIT: When i Removed the "07" the GRF did not Appear in the "Add NewGRF's"!
It is getting Messed up when i Reedit a Value!

[zero.eight]

Make your hex numbers 0000842D+X, or 2D 84 00 00 in little endian

I Really don't get it.
I'm Sorry but can you Post a Reedited Code so i can see what you Exactly mean?

This should work:

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2 * 82  00
            04 07 01
            00                  // ID
                08 "IST1"      // class
                0C FE 
                0D FE 
                11 00 
                14 FF 
                15 FF 
                09 04                       // layouts
                    1D 08 00 00                     // ground sprite
                    00 00 00        10 05 01        // offsets, sizes
                    2D 84 00 00         80          // draw sprite with 1CC <--- sprite number has been changed to use company colours
                    1D 08 00 00                     // ground sprite
                    00 00 00        05 10 0F        // offsets, sizes
                    2E 84 00 00         80          // draw sprite with 1CC
                    1D 08 00 00                     // ground sprite
                    00 00 00        10 05 01        // offsets, sizes
                    2D 84 00 00         80          // draw sprite with 1CC
                    1D 08 00 00                     // ground sprite
                    00 00 00        05 10 0F        // offsets, sizes
                    2E 84 00 00         80          // draw sprite with 1CC
3 * 4    01 04 01 02
4 sprites/Statues.pcx 82 8 09 52 64 -31 -21
5 sprites/Statues.pcx 162 8 09 56 64 -31 -25
6 * 7    02 04 00 00 01 00 00
7 * 7    03 04 01 00 00 00 00
8 * 17   04 04 9F 01 00 "Airplane 1" 00

I Copied this Code from a GRF I Created Earlier. Do i must Remove the "07" then?

EDIT: When i Removed the "07" the GRF did not Appear in the "Add NewGRF's"!
It is getting Messed up when i Reedit a Value!

Post the Action 00 for a station from each class and I will have a look

[RL Conroy]

This should work

I Reedited it but Still the Same Results

The Complete Code (Only Reedited the Values you said to me):

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0 * 4	 1E 00 00 00
1 * 49	 08 07 "ST" 83 08 "Airplane/Train Statues" 00
		 "Coded by: RL Conroy" 00
2 * 82	 00 04 07 01 00 08 "IST1" 0C FE 0D FE 11 00 14 FF 15 FF 09 04 1D 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 05 01
	 2D 84 00 00 80 1D 08 00 00 00 00 00 05 10 0F 2E 84 00 00 80 1D 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 05 01 2D 84
	 00 00 80 1D 08 00 00 00 00 00 05 10 0F 2E 84 00 00 80
3 * 4	 01 04 01 02
4 sprites/Statues.pcx 82 8 09 52 64 -31 -21
5 sprites/Statues.pcx 162 8 09 56 64 -31 -25
6 * 7	 02 04 00 00 01 00 00
7 * 7	 03 04 01 00 00 00 00
8 * 17	 04 04 9F 01 00 "ÅAirplane 1" 00
9 * 22	 00 04 07 01 01 08 "IST1" 0C FE 0D FE 11 00 14 FF 15 FF 0A 00
10 * 4	 01 04 01 02
11 sprites/Statues.pcx 322 8 09 56 64 -31 -25
12 sprites/Statues.pcx 402 8 09 52 64 -31 -21
13 * 7	 02 04 00 00 01 00 00
14 * 7	 03 04 01 01 00 00 00
15 * 17	 04 04 9F 01 01 "ÅAirplane 2" 00
16 * 22	 00 04 07 01 02 08 "IST1" 0C FE 0D FE 11 00 14 FF 15 FF 0A 00
17 * 4	 01 04 01 02
18 sprites/Statues.pcx 562 8 09 35 64 -31 -4
19 sprites/Statues.pcx 642 8 09 34 64 -31 -3
20 * 7	 02 04 00 00 01 00 00
21 * 7	 03 04 01 02 00 00 00
22 * 14	 04 04 9F 01 02 "ÅTrain 1" 00
23 * 22	 00 04 07 01 03 08 "IST1" 0C FE 0D FE 11 00 14 FF 15 FF 0A 00
24 * 4	 01 04 01 02
25 sprites/Statues.pcx 2 88 09 34 64 -31 -3
26 sprites/Statues.pcx 82 88 09 35 64 -31 -4
27 * 7	 02 04 00 00 01 00 00
28 * 7	 03 04 01 03 00 00 00
29 * 14	 04 04 9F 01 03 "ÅTrain 2" 00
30 * 29	 04 04 9F 01 00 "ÄTrain/Airplane Statues" 00

[RL Conroy]

Ehm... I know what was Causing the Merging Problem!
The Station Classes from "Train/Airplane Statues" & "Industry Station Tiles" was the Same!
And the Company Colours Problem is also Fixed! Thanks for Your help zero.eight!

I also Planned to Create a Drive-In Movie! Only it must be Animated ofcourse...
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How do i Set Bit 31? I wanna Try out what zero.eight said to me Earlier.

With bit 31 set, this sprite will refer to a TTD sprite, not the action 1 sprite

Can someone tell me how it works so i can Learn more about Creating GRF's?
Because the Pages at TTDPatch Wiki are not so Understandable...

RRRR842D+X is 2D 48 RR RR, Right? (I hope...)

EDIT: And a Question: How does Bit 31 Know which Sprites to Use?
Must you Add a Value to Allow to Use the Sprites from "trg1r"?

EDIT: Must i Add it after here:

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9 * 22	 00 04 07 01 01 08 "IST1" 0C FE 0D FE 11 00 14 FF 15 FF 0A 00 <- 2D 48 RR RR

EDIT: And if i want to Code a Industry Tile i must put in this Code: 2D 48 20 54 (Transformator from "trg1r")

I hope you Understand what i Said here...
I think nobody is Interested with Helping me

EDIT: It will take a while before i get an Answer...

[Lakie]

I'm not completely sure what you're having issues with, and I've not wrote any station grfs in a long time.

But from the wiki I gather that RRRR is actually the recolour map to use, which I doubt is what you want.
Similarly bit 15 is used to flag the sprite should be recoloured (0x8000), which again may not be what you want.

Setting bit 31 flags that the sprite should be taken from the base graphics and not the Action1 sprites you provide.
Bit 31 = 1 << 31 = 0x80000000, thus you'd add this number to the sprite you want to draw.

If you wanted to use a transmitter you'd add 2601 (transmitter sprite) with bit 31, thus get 0x80000A29 or "29 0A 00 80" in little endian.

I suggest you use the layout zero.eight showed for you action0, it'll make life easier for you.
Using that layout you would replace the first dword on the "//draw sprite with 1CC" lines, with the sprite you wish to draw.

~ Lakie

[RL Conroy]

I want to Recreate my GRF which use the Original Graphics. (Look at the Top of Page 6)
I'm Trying to Understand how to Use Bit 31.

But from the wiki I gather that RRRR is actually the recolour map to use, which I doubt is what you want

No i only want to Replace the Graphics from my GRF into References (Bit 31) to Graphics fom trg1r.

Bit 31 = 1 << 31 = 0x80000000, thus you'd add this number to the sprite you want to draw

Using that layout you would replace the first dword on the "//draw sprite with 1CC" lines, with the sprite you wish to draw

Uhhhm... How do i do that with A LOT of References to Sprites? It is a Little Confusing right now... Or it is just Me
I tried to read the Wiki but it is Complicated...

I suggest you use the layout zero.eight showed for you action0

I only know how to use Company Colours with those Codes. Not how to put in Bit 31

[zero.eight]

If the wiki says something about setting a bit, it means that you need to set a bit in a binary number. However, NFO requires hex unless you use escapes that GRFCodec can handle, so you need to know how to convert binary to hex.

The procedure for setting bit 31 is almost the same as that for bit 15.

In general, to set a bit in a binary number, start from the right and count from zero until you reach the number of that bit, so for bit bit 31, count 32 places, for 15 count 16 etc.

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00000000000000000000000000000000 (binary)
^ bit 31                 bit 0 ^

set a bit by changing its value to 1. Setting bit 31 gives

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10000000000000000000000000000000

which isn't a nice number to read, so change it to hex.
To do this, split the number into groups of 4 bits (nibbles) and convert each nibble to hex.

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1000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000   (bin)
 8    0    0    0    0    0    0    0     (hex)

This is where you need to know basic binary to hex. Or put the number into a converter.

This effectively gives you what Lakie said:

Bit 31 = 1 << 31 = 0x80000000

To use this for an Action 00 sprite layout (non-ground sprite), use the number for the sprite that you want from the base set and set bit 31 by following the above. That is, grab the sprite number, convert it to hex and set bit 31.

For example, take sprite 2190. The long method is:

Convert sprite number to hex: 2190(d) = 0x88E

We want to set bit 31, so convert 0x88E to binary:

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1000 1000 1110   (bin)
 8    8    E     (hex)

then set bit 31:

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1000 0000 0000 0000 0000 1000 1000 1110   (bin)
 8    0    0    0    0    8    8    E     (hex)

and use 0x8000088E as your sprite number.

An easy way to do this is to add "8" to the beginning of sprite numbers when written as doublewords, so the quick method is convert the sprite number to hex and add 0x80000000 (0x88E + 0x80000000. Much quicker than converting everything, but be careful when setting other bits).

You might want to try combining this and the procedure for bit 15 to draw sprite 4445 with company colours (its the office block that is built with a random colour)

Hope this is a little clearer,

- D

[RL Conroy]

Wow... And i Thought that Coding Graphics was Hard to do...

and use 0x8000088E as your sprite number

You mean Something like this? I'm Sorry if it is Wrong but i'm Trying to Understand it...

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2 * 82	 00 04 07 01 00 08 "IST1" 0C FE 0D FE 11 00 14 FF 15 FF 09 04 1D 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 05 01
	 2D 04 00 00 80 1D 08 00 00 00 00 00 05 10 0F 2E 04 00 00 80 1D 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 05 01 2D 04
	 00 00 80 1D 08 00 00 00 00 00 05 10 0F 2E 04 00 00 80 
    3 * 4	 01 04 01 02
    4 sprites/Station_Tiles.pcx 82 8 09 31 64 -31 0
    5 sprites/Station_Tiles.pcx 162 8 09 31 64 -31 0
    6 * 7	 02 04 00 00 01 00 00
    7 * 7	 03 04 01 00 00 00 00
    8 * 18	 04 04 9F 01 00 "ÅCoal Mine 1" 00
    9 * 22	 00 04 07 01 01 08 "IST1" 0C FE 0D FE 11 00 14 FF 15 FF 0A 00 <- 80 00 07 FF
   10 * 4	 01 04 01 02
   11 sprites/Station_Tiles.pcx 322 8 09 31 64 -31 0
   12 sprites/Station_Tiles.pcx 402 8 09 48 64 -31 -17
   13 * 7	 02 04 00 00 01 00 00
   14 * 7	 03 04 01 01 00 00 00
   15 * 18	 04 04 9F 01 01 "ÅCoal Mine 2" 00
   16 * 22	 00 04 07 01 02 08 "IST1" 0C FE 0D FE 11 00 14 FF 15 FF 0A 00 <- 80 00 08 02
   17 * 4	 01 04 01 02
   ...

And how do you Code this then: That they both have Different Sprites just like Basic Stations from maquinista.
Each Platform Creates a other thing instead of 2 the Same things. You know what i mean?