The TTD Artist Competition(April 2007 - Winners)

[Dave]

First I´d like to have a poll about the "official rules", especially the time frame. I don´t think that two or three people should be allowed to arbitrarily change those once settled rules. If at all, this must be decided in public.

regards
Michael

I would certainly agree. This is very much a community effort and as such it should be created with the community in mind.

[George]

First I´d like to have a poll about the "official rules", especially the time frame. I don´t think that two or three people should be allowed to arbitrarily change those once settled rules. If at all, this must be decided in public.

If we get it first then we'll skip may award and it may start a bad tradition to skip awards . So we can run it in parallel. We can have 2 topics with 2 polls, can't we?

[About the number of entries]
I think 8 is not a very bad limit for poll options here. We have about 60-70 votes in 2 weeks, so it is about 10 votes per poll on the average April award had 6 entries, may award may have 7, so 8 is fine now.

Did you forget the main idea of the award? To make artists make more graphics. If we skip a round artists would move their contributions to the next months instead of making a new one.

But if we don´t stick to publicly accepted rules, the whole thing goes out of control.

They can go out control even when we have rules if we try And it can be stable without rules if we'll focus our efforts on it. I mean, we can start working on rules, but in parallel, not INSTEAD OF may award

2Lakie: Could you please start may award now, running for 2 weeks?

Meanwhile, it´s may 13th and there are still contributions which should have been made until april 30th.

Well, that is fine to accept them now - we'll maybe force new graphics for June award

And your above argument is somewhat silly. "To make artists make more graphics" we could even shorten the interval (against the original rules, o/c).

I had a look at 2005 events and made a conclusion, that 1 month interval is the best. We can discuss it, but I think it is a good solution to choose 1 month interval.

And yes, we already skipped the may round. Period.

No. We did not. I don't know why do you try to force this solution, may be you are preparing something special and need about a week to finish it and at the same time you don't want to skip the may award, but I don't think it is fair.

Possibly because there were no contributions from the artists´ side for that month. But how could you try to enforce that their contributions for june should now be for may? Just to hold up the impression that there were "more graphics"? No, George. Not this way.

Well, Michael, why not? You did not conceal me, Michael. Not this time. I think we need to start may award now.

[michael blunck]

This is very much a community effort and as such it should be created with the community in mind.

Thanks, Dave.


@George

This isn´t your thread and o/c it isn´t your undertaking. Instead, as Dave pointed out, it´s a community thing. As such we have to stick to the rules set by the community and a single person (you) may not change them deliberately to their own purpose.

I.e., a statemenet like

2Lakie: Could you please start may award now, running for 2 weeks?

is fruitless, because doing so would be against the rules which have been agreed upon by the community before and there hasn´t been any commitment on changing them as of late.

The deadline for the may contest has been april 30th and up to this date there haven´t been any contributions. I.e., now we´re preparing for the june contest and the deadline for this one is may, 31st.

I repeat: there has been no agreement until now to change the rules set before and you´re not entitled to change them on a single vote basis.

I don't know why do you try to force this solution, may be you are preparing something special and need about a week to finish it and at the same time you don't want to skip the may award, but I don't think it is fair.

I don´t "try to enforce" to skip the may contest. In fact, according to the rules, may contest has been skipped because there were no contributions and it would be indeed unfair to "enforce" a may contest in retrospective for contributors who want to stick to the rules. Insofar, you are "enforcing" something in contradiction to the accepted rules.

And that has nothing to do with my own plans to contribute or not.

regards
Michael

[BobDendry]

The may awards have been skipped. As michael pointed out, there were no contributions.

[George]

The may awards have been skipped. As michael pointed out, there were no contributions.

That is not fair.

They need to enter their graphics themselves.

How much time would we give them to do it?

A week.

That means any contribution before 9-th may is accepted.

You can't change your position upon Michaels demand. If you wrote that graphics is accepted for 1 week, they should be accepted. That means may award should run.

Let us create a 2 day poll with a question, should May award happen or not.

[michael blunck]

George, why are you so inclined to break the once established rules?

First problem with your "proposal" is that it´s unfair to participants who missed the "official deadline" (april 30th) but didn´t recognize that dubious prolongation.

Second problem is that there will be less time for the june contest.

Third problem is that there will be similar proposals in the future and with likewise good (or bad) reasons.

You can't change your position upon Michaels demand.

Why shouldn´t he, now that someone pointed out the flaw?

regards
Michael

[George]

This isn´t your thread and o/c it isn´t your undertaking.

And not your? There was a year delay before I digged it up. I suggested some rules, but there were no voting for it nor discussion of the rules. So you CAN'T say that there are rules for these awards. There is only a suggestion by George, nothing more.

Instead, as Dave pointed out, it´s a community thing.

What is the community thing? The forum, the thread, the award? Stop playing tricks of law, "community" does not need it. We are not discussing you copyrights issues now.

As such we have to stick to the rules set by the community

Who set the rules? Where? Michael, stop these silly tricks of law. There was no rules. There was only one post

May I dig out this topic? Thank you Wink
It seems to me that less and less finished graphics appear recently (Well, it looks like that). So, I think it may be not a bad idea to make a monthly contest for graphics artists and reward the winner with the honorary title "artist of the month", so every winner could put the icon into his signature (like "best moderator 2006" icon for example). May be it would increase the amount of new graphics.
The rules of the contest could be very simple. Every artist may post his graphics (but only one thing a month) into this thread. If some wants, he can replace the previously posted one with a new one. On the 1-st day of the next month the voting for artists begins and goes one week. After a week the winner gets the award. At the same time (since 1-st day of the month) graphics for the next month are also collected for the next round.

Do you call it rules? Do not make me laugh, Michael

and a single person (you) may not change them deliberately to their own purpose.

There are no rules, so I can't change them. If MY suggestions about rules are rules - then I can change them on my demand.

I.e., a statemenet like

2Lakie: Could you please start may award now, running for 2 weeks?

is fruitless, because doing so would be against the rules which have been agreed upon by the community before

Michael, are you lawyer?

The deadline for the may contest has been april 30th

As I pointed to Dave, Whitehand moved it to 8th may, so we have at least 6 contributions for may. You can ignore it but I hope community will not.

and up to this date there haven´t been any contributions. I.e., now we´re preparing for the june contest and the deadline for this one is may, 31st.

I suppose this contributions would appear between may award start and 1st of june

I repeat: there has been no agreement until now to change the rules set before and you´re not entitled to change them on a single vote basis.

I repeat: there were no rules, so I can't break them

I don't know why do you try to force this solution, may be you are preparing something special and need about a week to finish it and at the same time you don't want to skip the may award, but I don't think it is fair.

I don´t "try to enforce" to skip the may contest. In fact, according to the rules, may contest has been skipped because there were no contributions and it would be indeed unfair to "enforce" a may contest in retrospective for contributors who want to stick to the rules. Insofar, you are "enforcing" something in contradiction to the accepted rules.

How much time do you want to repeat this statement to make people belive in it? I can repeat that you are wrong here as much times as required.

[George]

George, why are you so inclined to break the once established rules?

I do not break the rules. See above.

First problem with your "proposal" is that there will be less time for the June contest.

Your war against may award only decreases this time

Second problem is that there will be similar proposals in the future and with likewise good (or bad) reasons.

we can all together work to prevent it in future, but it is not a reason to skip may award.

enough

2Moderators: Please create a poll.
A poll for "should we run may award" or a poll for "may award", but let us make a decision now.

[michael blunck]

The rules of the contest could be very simple. [...] On the 1-st day of the next month the voting for artists begins

Do you call it rules? Do not make me laugh, Michael

There are no rules, so I can't change them. If MY suggestions about rules are rules - then I can change them on my demand.

Well, apparently your proposal had been accepted publicly and thus turned into the "official rules".

And in good democratic tradition, a rule once approved, cannot be changed again by the former proposer without renewed public approval.

regards
Michael

[BobDendry]

George: Firstly, the moderators will not be creating a poll. This is my thread, to do with as I wish. I apologise for giving you the thought that the competition would run over time - this is not the case. Due to being very busy over the last few weeks, I've been unable to donate much time to the forums, and only had a short amount of time to skim over. Michael is right in this situation.

[George]

The rules of the contest could be very simple. [...] On the 1-st day of the next month the voting for artists begins

Do you call it rules? Do not make me laugh, Michael

There are no rules, so I can't change them. If MY suggestions about rules are rules - then I can change them on my demand.

Well, apparently your proposal had been accepted publicly and thus turned into the "official rules".

Unless it it stated somewhere, it is proposal, not the rule. Michael, find me any document that allows transforming proposal into law without special procedures of adoption of statute.

And in good democratic tradition, a rule once approved, cannot be changed again by the former proposer without renewed public approval.

I got tired with these tricks, Michael.

[George]

George: Firstly, the moderators will not be creating a poll. This is my thread, to do with as I wish. I apologise for giving you the thought that the competition would run over time - this is not the case. Due to being very busy over the last few weeks, I've been unable to donate much time to the forums, and only had a short amount of time to skim over. Michael is right in this situation.

You mean your thread your rules? Ok, starting a new thread

[BobDendry]

Childish as ever, I see.

[michael blunck]

Ok, starting a new thread

> Childish as ever, I see.

Well, could somebody tell me why I was so sure that George´s next action would to start his own "artists´ competition thread"?

And yeah, I could do as well, why not? Or are there other volunteers to do so, just to avoid me being even more childish as George?



regards
Michael

[Wile E. Coyote]

People, please don't make one more "Awardsgate"...

[BobDendry]

unfortunately, Wile, it appears to already have begun.

[Purno]

Why do people always have to fight about things which should be fun. This is already the 2nd voting which ends in a fight. Please let the original creator, who came with the original idea, decide how to do it.

[George]

Ok, starting a new thread

> Childish as ever, I see.
Well, could somebody tell me why I was so sure that George´s next action would to start his own "artists´ competition thread"?

Because It would be not wise to become a moderator and change WhiteHand's thread.

And yeah, I could do as well, why not? Or are there other volunteers to do so, just to avoid me being even more childish as George?

Go, go, go!!!

[George]

Why do people always have to fight about things which should be fun. This is already the 2nd voting which ends in a fight. Please let the original creator, who came with the original idea, decide how to do it.

You mean all the other should shut up?

[Purno]

They may have their opinions, but it's very childish just to start a similar/same vote/contest if you disagree.

Admittely, I didn't really follow this whole discussion, I just see a fight.