32bpp experimental graphics (Sergey_S)

[Darkvater]

Sergey's topic showcasing various 32bpp graphics for OpenTTD has been removed.
Of concern were the legality issues with most of the graphics presented (RA2 airships, Locomotion mods (without permission).
The topic will remain removed until Sergey_S can show clear evidence that the graphics are created by him 100%, or has permission from the author(s) to use them.

[Damage]

As a member of TTDRussia.net community I can say that the conversions of models by Denis are legal, I've seen a permission by Denis. The conversions of models by Titanik and Maksim are supposedly legal too, at least the authors know about it and they are not against.

But the others are not, at least as far as I know it.

[Dreamcatcher]

Yes but you seeing the permissions and the mods here seeing the permissions are different..

[Born Acorn]

As Psyvhotic Baboon says, We'd need to see proof of this permission.

To be honest, I'd just love to see where the EA Games give permission for the airship and lighthouse.

[Dreamcatcher]

As Psyvhotic Baboon says, We'd need to see proof of this permission.

To be honest, I'd just love to see where the EA Games give permission for the airship and lighthouse.

Exactly.. i don't think your average Russian could afford to pay for the rights....

[Damage]

If you need proof, I can give you a link to our forum to the post, in which Sergej asked about permission to post these conversions and the post in which Denis agreed.

Yes, I know that the other files were totally illegal, but I wanted to point out that not all of them were.

To be honest, I'd just love to see where the EA Games give permission for the airship and lighthouse.

Me too! But I think it'll be boooring, because my guess, that EA workers will consider he's just a psycho and ignore the email.

Exactly.. i don't think your average Russian could afford to pay for the rights....

And that average russian won't. At least if this won't be another requirement for entring the WTO.

[Darkvater]

Some proof would be nice, and also for the Locomotion-converts as I have heard from those people myself that they have not given permission.

Some kind of readable english would be good to go with that link as I think for most of us, Russian is not our best language

[Oleg]

I suppose the conversation went a bit wrong, since Sergej_S has been banned for using at least some of the graphics without permission, so is there any difference if he has permission for some other graphics or not?

as I have heard from those people myself that they have not given permission

I believe Damage and me were the only two of "these people" who came out and said that Sergej's work was illegal. The other "people" in question are not necesserily registered at tt-forums and probably do not even speak English. The requirement to present proof in English sounds a bit ... strange with regard to other language community members, and the Forum Rules do not mention this situation in this way.

P.S. and of course no one gave Sergej_S permission to use EA graphics.

[peter1138]

As could be seen from the history of the thread, there was no real problem until it was blatantly obvious that some were illegally copied. In this case, the benefit of doubt was lost for the other files too.

So it's not really a simple case of "guilty until proven innocent".

[Darkvater]

Sergey_S has not been banned as far as I know, only given an official warning. 3 such warnings and you are banned.

I was only asking for proof in english as obviously our russian is non-existent and online translator tools leave much to be desired (as we could see from Sergey's posts, which no sane human being even with very broken english would've written ever).

For the rest, see peter's post above me ^

[Damage]

http://forums.ttdrussia.net/viewtopic.p ... ght=#13274
This post and the following post.
Sergej:
"Хорошо - буду ждать твоих моделей , они мне очень понравились !!!

Кстати - тут просили спросить - ты даешь свое согласие на размещение твоих моделей во всемирной паутине ?

При изготовлении файлов GRF для платформы OpenTTD я не трогаю ни одного авторского пикселя ( цвет , габариты , пропорции - только автор ) - я делаю только математические модели ...

Сергей ..."

Translation:
Good, I'm waiting for your models, I like them very much!
By the way, I was asked to ask you, will give me permission to place your models in the worldwide web?

When I make GRF files for OpenTTD platform, I don't touch even a single author's pixel (color, size, proportions - all like author's) - I just make the math models...

Sergej..."

Denis: "В принципе я не против... "
Translation: "Well I don't mind..."

Is this a proof for you?

The only thing I'm trying to explain is that these files (models made by Denis) are legal.
About the other files - it's up to moderators to find out if they are illegal or not.
And I hope there will be a peaceful solution to this problem.

[richk67]

I dont think its necessarily a matter of a peaceful solution... its a matter of a legal solution. Infringing any copyright is not an option.

[Sergej_S]

Русский

Приветствую!

Здесь меня обвинили в том, что я использую графику без разрешения авторов ...

Сначала немного истории:

Мои дети играли в Tycoon еще в далеком 1995 году, когда еще ходили в детский сад ...
Прошло 12 лет ...
Старший сейчас учится в МГУ, младшая тоже студент института иностранных языков ...

А что изменилось в Tycoone за это время, за возраст целого поколения - 12 Лет? Ничего!!!
Все тот же автобус размером 28 * 12 точек!!!???

Так как Tycoon и его клон OpenTTD использует двухмерную графику, то нет никаких проблем,
в создании графических файлов, например зданий, из фотографий, видеофильмов,
копий экранов компьютерных игр ...
Кто мешает мне оцифровать изображение и поместить в файл GRF?
Никто ...
Кому задавать вопрос по графике - архитектору электростанции???

Сколько можно смотреть на этот черный квадрат Малевича???

Разработчики других платформ, например Simutrans , давно поняли, что получить качество из 64 точек невозможно, поэтому сначала перешли на формат 96*96 , затем 128*128 ...

Для качественной графики транспорта необходимы 3D-модели, и я обращался к авторам моделей, рассылал стандартные письма на трех языках - русский/английский/немецкий - на разрешение использование графики ...

Все русские авторы графики дали свое согласие.

Мои реальные копии экрана и наборы графики посмотрело более 3 500 человек русскоязычной аудитории и более 1 800 человек англоязычной аудитории ...

Если бы среди этих посетителей были недовольные авторы - почему они не написали мне письма?

Из иностранных авторов только один - RobinH из Германии написал мне письмо - чтобы я не использовал его наборы ...

Во всех моих графических файлах GRF/TAR есть информация об авторах графики!!!

Кого забыл написать - обращайтесь!

В заключение - привожу реальную копию экрана - сделанную на сборке OpenTTD 32bpp ...

Может - и на эту графику есть претенденты на авторство?

Graphics created by Denis - Kursk, Russia!

New GUI 32bpp , новые релизы OpenTTD 32bpp , а также файлы дополнительной графики GRF/TAR можно найти по ссылке внизу …

С уважением.

Сергей.

English


I welcome!

Here me have accused that I use to the schedule without the permission of authors...

First there is some history:

My children played Tycoon still in far 1995 when still went to a kindergarten...
Has passed 12 years...
The senior now studies in the Moscow State University, younger too the student of institute of foreign languages...

And what has changed in Tycoon for this time, for age of the whole generation - 12 Years? Anything!!!
All the same bus in the size 28 * 12 points!!!???

As Tycoon and its clone OpenTTD uses two-dimensional to the schedule there are no problems,
In creation of graphic files, for example buildings, from photos, video films,
Copies of screens of computer games...
Who prevents to digitize to me the image and to place in file GRF?
Anybody...
To whom to ask a question after the schedule - to the architect of power station???

How many it is possible to look at Malevich's this black square???

Developers of other platforms, for example Simutrans, for a long time have understood what to receive quality from 64 points it is impossible, therefore all over again send
to a format 96*96, then 128*128...

For qualitative schedules of transport are necessary for 3D-model, and I addressed to authors of models, dispatched standard letters in three languages - Russian/English/German - on the sanction use schedules...

All Russian authors’ schedules have given the consent.

My real copies of the screen and sets schedules were looked more than 3 500 persons of a Russian-speaking audience and more 1 800 person of an English-speaking audience...

If among these visitors there were dissatisfied authors - why they have not written to me the letter?

From foreign authors only one - RobinH from Germany has written to me the letter - that I did not use its sets...

In all my graphic files GRF/TAR there is information on authors schedules!!!

Whom has forgotten to write - address!

In summary - I result a real copy of the screen - made on assembly OpenTTD 32bpp...

Can - and on this to the schedule there are applicants for authorship?

Graphics created by Denis - Kursk, Russia!

New GUI 32bpp, 32bpp, and also files additional schedules GRF/TAR it is possible to find new releases OpenTTD under the link below …

Yours faithfully.

Sergey.

[DaleStan]

You're still using an automatic translator, Sergey_S. Please cease and desist.

Also, the number and ages of your children are completely irrelevant to this discussion; please leave that in the Off-Topic section.

[Killer 11]

Sergej making stuff bigger is one thing but making a bus to be the size of 3 office buildings is another, If you want to make bigger stuff then wait until Developers code the new engine, the current engine is simply NOT CAPABLE of scaling things up so drasticaly. Even if it is possible it involves A LOT of coding, so please use a scale that is acceptable(geez that bus will cover up the bus stop completely ).

[Sergej_S]

Sergej making stuff bigger is one thing but making a bus to be the size of 3 office buildings ...

I agree - in this case I have specially increased the size - that there were no questions on quality and the author of model

Sergej

[Brianetta]

OK, let's try this. Hopefully, what I write can be translated by whichever strange translator Sergej uses. If not, perhaps he has a friend who can read my responses.

Кто мешает мне оцифровать изображение и поместить в файл GRF?

This is illegal.

Если бы среди этих посетителей были недовольные авторы - почему они не написали мне письма?

Wrong way around. You have no rights until you are given rights by the author. If the author is unaware, this does not make it right for you. If the author is unaware, you must contact the author and wait for the reply.

[Damage]

First of all, let me help you a little.

Here me have accused that I use to the schedule

Should be read as "I'm being accused that I use the graphics", the translator misunderstood the word "графика" and translated it to "schedule" instead of "graphics". Everywhere else it should be read as "graphics" too.

12 Years? Anything!!!

Should be read as "Nothing!".

...OpenTTD uses two-dimensional to the schedule there are no problems, in creation of graphic files, for example buildings, from photos, video films, Copies of screens of computer games...
Who prevents to digitize to me the image and to place in file GRF?
Anybody.
To whom to ask a question after the schedule - to the architect of power station???

The correct translation is: "Because... OTTD uses 2D graphics, it isn't a problem to digitize (sic! - Damage) photos, videos, screenshots to create a graphic file of a building, for example.
Who stops me from digitizing the image, and putting it in the GRF? Nobody.
Whose permission do I need to ask - the Power Plant architector?"

How many it is possible to look at Malevich's this black square???

"How long are we going to look at that Malevich's "Black square"?"

Developers ..., for a long time have understood what to receive quality from 64 points it is impossible, therefore all over again send
to a format 96*96, then 128*128...

"Developers understood a long time ago that it's impossible to to receive quality from 64 pixels (sorry, rough translation. I have no clues about the translation, the phrase is strange itself, even in russian), so they switched first to 96*96 pixels,then to 128*128.

For qualitative schedules of transport are necessary for 3D-model...

"For quality graphics I needed 3D models..."

on the sanction use schedules...

"to ask about the permission to use the graphics"

All Russian authors’ schedules have given the consent.

"All russian graphics' authors have given their permission."

In all my graphic files GRF/TAR there is information on authors schedules!!!

"All my GRF/TAR graphic files contain the information about the authors of the graphic!"

Whom has forgotten to write - address!

"Those, to whom I forgot to write letters, please tell me."

In summary - I result a real copy of the screen - made on assembly OpenTTD 32bpp...
Can - and on this to the schedule there are applicants for authorship?

And in the end I would like to post a real screen copy (<-THAT means "a screenshot") made on OTTD 32bpp build.
Anyone gonna claim for his rights on this one?"

Second. In case of whatever I'm going to translate Brianetta's reply (BTW, Brianetta, bravo! You know russian or you have extraordinary language skills, or maybe both. Either way, you've found the correct russian phrases and wrote a correct reply. What can I say, my respect to you...)

>Кто мешает мне оцифровать изображение и поместить в файл GRF?

This is illegal. - "Это незаконно"

>Если бы среди этих посетителей были недовольные авторы - почему они не написали мне письма?

Wrong way around. You have no rights until you are given rights by the author. If the author is unaware, this does not make it right for you. If the author is unaware, you must contact the author and wait for the reply.
"Неправильный подход. У вас нет на это прав, пока вам не разрешит автор. Если автор не осведомлен, это еще не делает ваши действия законными. Если автор не осведомлен, то вы обязаны связаться с автором и ждать ответа."

Next. Other replies translation. Hope this will be useful.
By Dalestan
"Сергей, вы все еще пользуетесь автоматическим переводчиком. Пожалуйста воздержитесь от этого.
Кроме того, возраст ваших детей к нашей дискуссии не имеет никакого отношения. Пожалуйста оставьте все подобное в разделе Off-topic"
By Killer 11
"Сергей, делать модели крупнее - это одно, но сделать автобус размером с 3 офисных здания - это другое. Если вы хотите делать более крупные модели - подождите, пока разработчики напишут новый движок, старый просто НЕ СПОСОБЕН так сильно увеличивать масштаб всего. Даже если это и возможно, то потребует МНОГО программирования, поэтому будьте добры, используйте приемлемы масштаб. (боже мой, этот автобус полностью закроет автобусную остановку)

[Damage]

Sorry for doubleposting, but now I want to post what I wanted to say about all this.

2all
Believe me, his answers in russian don't make more sense. Although yes, they are more grammatically correct.

About the size. AFAIK this is mostly because he knows nothing about photoshop and similar programs.

Все русские авторы графики дали свое согласие.
All russian graphics' authors have given their permission.

I haven't. So, I'm not russian? I'm not an author? Still, some conversions of my models are availible from your (personal!) page.
[russian]Сергей, я вам чем не русский? Или не автор? Почему тогда с вашей страницы можно скачать конверсии моих работ?

[Alltaken]

leave the thread deleted i think. its just silly. Copyright infringement (especially such bad stuff) is embarrasing to all of us. mroe-so than my spelling.

we don't need it here, infact the whole 32bpp thing was to get away from copyright infringement

Alltaken