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Post by Sanchimaru » 08 Aug 2006 02:40

Thanks, everybody!

I followed Patchman's advice and made a trick to make the tunnel look higher than it is. However, I didn't angle the beams.
Let's see how it goes.
I can't test it in a real screenshot, so I have no idea how would it go with the catenary. But I made a file so that someone can code it and make a test file for it.
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Post by Aegir » 08 Aug 2006 02:45

Right, I'll add those to the pile to be coded with the rest of the landscape .grf.
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Post by Sanchimaru » 08 Aug 2006 02:47

However, these are still test sprites, we don't know if they will really look good in a game...
Is there a possibility of a quick-coding work on a test GRF file just for these? ;)

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Post by Aegir » 08 Aug 2006 02:49

*checks the clock*

Indeed there is that possibility. Let me get cracking and see what I can pull off in the next 40ish minutes :D.
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Post by prissi » 08 Aug 2006 08:17

The problem with the slope of the rice paddies is, the ground sprites must not overlap. I made a terraced version for one season, but the drawing order was really random and it looked even more ugly.

The color of young rice is really very bright; it just looks strange, becuase no seasons are enforced. (I made once a patch for OTTD enforcing seasons and snow, and in phase the fields looked better.) But I admid, that I am not really a skilled artist (but head coder simutrans) and I would really like to see some useful rice paddies.

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Post by krtaylor » 08 Aug 2006 21:28

I don't think those are very attractive tunnel portals, or realistic, at all. I think that you could improve the perspective a bit by moving the well in closer to the tracks - it will make the whole thing look proportionately taller.
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Post by Sanchimaru » 08 Aug 2006 22:40

yes but, the problem is thaht the must be connected so that rails can go over them. Actually there are a lot of tunnel entrances like that in Japan. Precisely, near where I live there are a lot, since the JR and Hankyu tracks are ellevated, and in certain parts, there is a road under them. Actually the horizontal beams in the frame are painted in a very very bright color and have the heighth indication.

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Post by krtaylor » 08 Aug 2006 23:36

Yes, when there's something on top of the entrance, the way you've drawn them is quite realistic. I was just hoping there was a way to make them look not quite so odd when there isn't. Perhaps eventually it will be possible for enhanced-tunnels to tell the difference, and swap sprites accordingly.
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Post by Toni Babelony » 09 Aug 2006 05:53

I think a solution to the problem will be to make the entrance not so wide. The entrance of the tunnel looks like the entrance of a bridge, and not of a long tunnel under some massive mountain. (or somn')
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Post by RSpeed tycoonfreak » 09 Aug 2006 10:19

maybe a stupid question but i is a long time ago since i was on the forums but why are the japan set buildings not working with open ttd?
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Post by lifeblood » 09 Aug 2006 11:14

... because they're made for TTD Patch? :wink:

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Post by Train-a-Mania » 09 Aug 2006 19:39

The enterance of the tunnel does look wide.

Have you seen the tunnels on the Hisatsu line in MSTS? Those are a bit more round. You could also look at the Tokyo commuter line.
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Post by Villem » 09 Aug 2006 20:05

Their wide so the tracks can go above them on the trackbed, and Sanchimaru himself said he saw tunnels like that in Japan, and i think they look fine myself.

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Post by krtaylor » 10 Aug 2006 01:49

The Japanset buildings are scheduled for a complete recoding anyway. Maybe they'll work with OTTD next time round.
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Post by Aegir » 10 Aug 2006 03:11

No, they will not work next round. Not until OpenTTD implements the NewHouses feature properly. Which it still shows no indication of doing within the timeframe I will be working on recoding the .grf.

Anyways, heres the tunnel, I really like how they've come out. Now we just have to change the grass over to match the rest of the Japanset landscape. If you're ready to give the go-ahead, Sanchimaru, I will change the grass over (Quick easy edit) and add them to the Japanset landscape.

Theres a few clipping issues with the tunnel, but I'm inclined to think that they are related to the enhancedtunnels feature rather than the graphics. Still, the clipping isn't anywhere near as bad as, for instance, bridges. So it's not all bad.
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Post by Sanchimaru » 10 Aug 2006 06:04

I just tested them, and they looked quite fine!
As for what it concerns to me, you can proceed with them. What do the others think?

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Post by uzurpator » 10 Aug 2006 06:49

Out of sheer curiosity - is it set aimed at replacement of toyland? IT sure looks like a strong contender for that.
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Post by Aegir » 10 Aug 2006 07:59

Well, that's more something that I have to worry about, but yes, I suppose we are getting nearer to the point where we will have enough material to replace Toyland entirely. All the patch-code is there to support it now, we can change strings, sounds, and code our own industry chains as we want. I don't see any reason why we cannot replace Toyland.

Perhaps I will look into it at a later date, it would be a rather collosal coding project to replace the entirity of Toyland.

Sanchimaru: Good to hear, I will get to work on that soon.
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Post by Toni Babelony » 10 Aug 2006 08:37

The tunnels look fine to me too *adjusts opinion on them. I don't think they need more work. They look really good in a cityscape and double-track lines!

Anyway. I think I'm not gonna animate steam engines or something. But, methinks the industries need attention! I'll start with a Japanese factory soon. They don't look really different from other factories in the world, but are definately different from the original TTD ones!
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Post by Aegir » 10 Aug 2006 08:59

I look forward to seeing what you can produce, Tony, Good to finally get some new-blood into the Japan-set!
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