North American Renewal Set - Ver. 1.0 Released! - 04/04/06

[Aegir]

Oh my! Those are fabulous! Great work, yet again .

And the electrics I was talking about were these:

[PikkaBird]

Okiedokie...

- Added the Ten-Wheeler, Interurban, Steeplecab, and Taurus (haven't done the Shay yet because I'm not sure on the stats).

- Fiddled with the bridge stats a bit, including making the wooden bridge actually useful.

- Doubled the running costs for all locomotives.

[Aegir]

Yay! Taurus! Finally!

And I kinda like what the Interurbans and steeplecab will do to games. Networks in Electric and unelectrified, and then a long gap with new stuff all un-electrified till the late eighties.

Should be interesting. And freight Maglev should be interesting.

[stevenh]

Guys, This set is fantastic!
My worst problem is trying to choose a colour scheme that works best...
And I love the ETD ...

One thing... the 'double' Hudson seems to be too far spaced apart with carriages between and following.

[PikkaBird]

One thing... the 'double' Hudson seems to be too far spaced apart with carriages between and following.

The Hudson shouldn't be "double"... I'm guessing that's something a conflicting set is doing.

I can knock that one on the head fairly easily, but I think as a general rule people should try and avoid loading more than one train set grf for a given climate.

[stevenh]

Pikka, you got that one right... I had the Canset and Ausset both loaded... After just loading your set, everything looks GREAT!
(Even with Michael's Alpine Set)

[krtaylor]

Say, stevenh, what's your avatar a photo of? I mean, where?

[stevenh]

I found a Shinkansen staging area near Osaka in Google Earth...
download it from http://earth.google.com/
and then browse to:

<LookAt>
<longitude>135.5676300181266</longitude>
<latitude>34.7736038089397</latitude>
<range>239.2028695637825</range>
<tilt>3.451117726398044e-010</tilt>
<heading>0.03852595173090705</heading>
</LookAt>

[krtaylor]

That's what I thought it looked like, but seeing you were in Australia, I wondered.

[ISA]

this set works with ottd and ttdp, but in ttdp some wagon have locos power, why?:roll:

[Prof. Frink]

Because (at least your version of) openTTD doesn't support powered wagons.

[ISA]

Because (at least your version of) openTTD doesn't support powered wagons.

Atleast u should add Link in here where i can get it? And these wagons are very expensive???
But is it normal that reefer and conteiner wagon have like 6000hp and its in ttdPatch artic climet?

[PikkaBird]

Atleast u should add Link in here where i can get it? And these wagons are very expensive???
But is it normal that reefer and conteiner wagon have like 6000hp and its in ttdPatch artic climet?

The Hudson shouldn't be "double"... I'm guessing that's something a conflicting set is doing.

I can knock that one on the head fairly easily, but I think as a general rule people should try and avoid loading more than one train set grf for a given climate.

indeed.

[ISA]

Atleast u should add Link in here where i can get it? And these wagons are very expensive???
But is it normal that reefer and conteiner wagon have like 6000hp and its in ttdPatch artic climet?

The Hudson shouldn't be "double"... I'm guessing that's something a conflicting set is doing.

I can knock that one on the head fairly easily, but I think as a general rule people should try and avoid loading more than one train set grf for a given climate.

indeed.

Sry my bad

[PikkaBird]

Did you manage to work out the problem?

[HaroldV]

Why does the bi-level passenger carriage have a speed limit that is rather higher than the maximum speed of any locomotive that can haul it? Is its 120mph speed limit actually supposed to be 120kph (=75mph), or are there faster locos still to be added where the speed limit of the bi-level will actually come into play?

[ISA]

Did you manage to work out the problem?

Yeah!
My usual usset was loaded too! They use same spirits or something?!
Well thanks and remember it that u cant play with two usset

[Jim Starluck]

For the record, I love this trainset. The graphics and diversity of locomotives is a vast improvement on the default (plus it's nice having locomotive types I actually *reckognize*).

That said, I have some minor issues with some of the stats. How did you guys decide the stats for the various locomotives, especially the steam ones? Because some of them just don't make sense from a design standpoint.

For example. The Mikado has 2,000 hp, a top speed of 60 mph, and costs about $19,700 to run (the latter may be different depending on settings).

The Mountain, on the other hand, has 3500 hp, a top speed of 95 mph, and costs $25,100 to run.

Furthermore, the Northern has 4200 hp, a top speed of 85 mph and costs $14,700 to run.

The only difference between Mountains and Mikados is a single leading axle (for greater stability at higher speed), so why does the former have so much more horsepower?

The Northern has greater hp, but lower speed...despite the fact that historically, it replaced the Mountain in heavy-duty passenger/fast freight duty. It also has a much lower running cost than either of the other two, despite its greater size and complexity.

Then look at the Sante Fe...3800 hp, 55 mph, $24,900 running cost. Only slightly superior to the Mountain in power, and much slower, so there is no reason to use it instead.



I could understand if you're just using numbers from historical examples, but from a gameplay balance standpoint it's kind of messed up.

[PikkaBird]

The only difference between Mountains and Mikados is a single leading axle (for greater stability at higher speed), so why does the former have so much more horsepower?

They're based on real-world prototypes, and the Mountain, introduced in 1925, is a more modern locomotive than the Mikado, which you have from 1920.

You'll notice in the game that the Mountain is also considerably heavier than the Mikado, and more expensive to buy and operate.

The Northern has greater hp, but lower speed...despite the fact that historically, it replaced the Mountain in heavy-duty passenger/fast freight duty. It also has a much lower running cost than either of the other two, despite its greater size and complexity.

The Northern is a good locomotive for fast goods services (which, if you have wagon speed limits on, are limited to 80mph anyway by the boxcars in the set). If it's pure speed you're after for passenger trains, go with a Hudson or Jubilee.

The Northern should also cost more to operate than the Mountain. Is it possible that you've accidentally quoted its running costs in pounds here, rather than dollars?*

Then look at the Sante Fe...3800 hp, 55 mph, $24,900 running cost. Only slightly superior to the Mountain in power, and much slower, so there is no reason to use it instead.

If you're using realistic acceleration, the Santa Fe has much more tractive effort than the Mountain. So for heavy, slow freight trains it's a much better bet.

*edit: Okay, so you're using OTTD... I can see how a few of the things you've mentioned (like the running costs for the Northern being too low) might be caused by OTTD not fully supporting newgrf yet.

[Snail]

For example. The Mikado has 2,000 hp, a top speed of 60 mph, and costs about $19,700 to run (the latter may be different depending on settings).

The Mountain, on the other hand, has 3500 hp, a top speed of 95 mph, and costs $25,100 to run.

The only difference between Mountains and Mikados is a single leading axle (for greater stability at higher speed), so why does the former have so much more horsepower?

Well, there differences between two locomotives go well beyond wheel arrangement. If some parts of the Mountain were conceived with a more modern design, it might well be true that it was historically much more powerful than the Milado. Steam engines went through a dramatic evolution even in the XXth century, and this set takes that into account in a very accurate way.
To get another example, the French 231A and 231E shared the same chassis, the same wheel arrangement (actually, the same wheels) and lots of other parts. Yet the E is (1) much more powerful, (2) has a higher top speed, and (3) costs slightly less to maintain, all this due to more modern design.