New cargos experimental test version - a55vcs4

rjolley · Post by **rjolley** » 29 Jul 2005 23:49

A couple of issues with the latest patch and the paper.grf and chemi.grf files.

1) The oil wells produce oil and fish.
2) The paper mill produces food.
3) The printing works requires food.
4) The steel mill required passengers for awhile (not a bad thing, but interesting)
5) The refinery requires oil and fish.

That's it. Seems the chemi.grf either isn't loading correctly or chemicals and fish are using the same codes.

Csaboka · Post by **Csaboka** » 29 Jul 2005 23:59

1) and 5) are because chemi.grf and newcargo.grf both use slot 0C. Please turn off chemi.grf. It was really just a demonstration, so now that you have a real GRF to play with, it has become useless.

2) and 3) is a problem that the latest version of newcargo.grf should fix (in new games, at least). Make sure you're using v0.1 and not v0.0

4) seems to be the normal TTD behavior. Each tile of the steel mill accepts 1/8 passengers, so a luckily placed station will accept passengers.

rjolley · Post by **rjolley** » 30 Jul 2005 00:15

The new newcargow.grf and removing chemi.grf fixed it.

Thanks

[edit:] Spoke too soon. Now the oil wells produce food as well as oil and the refineries require food and oil. Just wondering if it's supposed to be that way for now or if there is an error.

nicfer · Post by **nicfer** » 30 Jul 2005 00:41

Now food and chemicals use the slot 0C

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 30 Jul 2005 03:22

Csaboka wrote:Please turn off chemi.grf.

Post by **WWTBAM** » 30 Jul 2005 08:47

your patch crashed when i tried to load a saved game and here is the crash log

SHADOW-XIII · Post by **SHADOW-XIII** » 30 Jul 2005 08:53

what be good to extend the industry limit now

George · Post by **George** » 30 Jul 2005 09:21

Newgrf.txt says

Code: Select all

b) The following cargo types are defined by TTDPatch:
Num1	Bitval	Num2	Type
 00	1	 00	Passengers
 01	2	 01	Coal
 02	4	 02	Mail
 03	8	 03	Oil
 04	10	 04	Livestock
 05	20	 05	Goods
 06	40	 06	Grain/Wheat/Maize
 07	80	 07	Wood
 08	100	 08	Iron Ore
 09	200	 09	Steel
 0A	400	 0A	Valuables/Gold/Diamonds
 0B	800	 09	Paper
 0C	1000	 0B	Food
 0D	2000	 04	Fruit
 0E	4000	 08	Copper Ore
 0F	8000	 09	Water
 10	10000	 01	Rubber
 11	20000	 01	Sugar
 12	40000	 03	Toys
 13	80000	 04	Batteries
 14	100000	 05	Candy (Sweets)
 15	200000	 06	Toffee
 16	400000	 07	Cola
 17	800000	 08	Cotton Candy (Candyfloss)
 18	1000000	 09	Bubbles
 19	2000000  0A	Plastic
 1A	4000000	 0B	Fizzy Drinks
 1B	8000000  0B	Paper (only in temperate climate, with moreindustriesperclimate switch)
 1C	10000000 08	undefined; unused slot in arctic climate
 FF	n/a	 n/a	Shown in purchase list

Can I specify tourists this way:
// The definition of the new cargo itself: slot 10, bit: 19h, name: "Tourists"?

Csaboka · Post by **Csaboka** » 30 Jul 2005 10:56

r0b0t_b0y2003: This is a problem with the US Station Set, please get the latest version.

George: I don't understand the question. The wiki describes how you can define new cargoes...

Post by **WWTBAM** » 30 Jul 2005 13:00

tahx casboka that did the trick

cornelius · Post by **cornelius** » 30 Jul 2005 14:44

I don't really see the point of this "tourist" cargo. Couldn't you just take regular passengers to a tourism industry?

Csaboka - is there any way to tell an industry to only build above a certain elevation (ie like the snow-only ones in arctic)?

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 30 Jul 2005 17:15

cornelius wrote:is there any way to tell an industry to only build above a certain elevation (ie like the snow-only ones in arctic)?

Callback 28.

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 30 Jul 2005 17:52

cornelius wrote:I would like to add slate for the UK Narrow Gauge set - I'm not sure if this would be enough of a universal cargo to be "standard" or if it should be classed as "exotic". What does everyone think?

The industry chain could be:

Because I´ve already too many cargoes on my different lists, an idea would be to have "parallel" cargoes, i.e. raw materials excavated from similar sources and transported to similar industries.

E.g.

> slate quarry >> slate >> slate mill >> goods (building products)

would be perfectly parallel with

lime pit -> lime -> cement works -> cement -> building industry ..., or
clay pit -> clay -> brick works -> bricks -> building industry ..., or
sand pit -> sand -> glass works -> glass -> building industry ....

Only the names would be different, but in fact the whole thing would be pretty generic.

regards
Michael

George · Post by **George** » 30 Jul 2005 18:55

Csaboka wrote:I don't understand the question. The wiki describes how you can define new cargoes...

I misunderstood the description. But I made a test and it looks fine now

George · Post by **George** » 30 Jul 2005 18:55

cornelius wrote:I don't really see the point of this "tourist" cargo. Couldn't you just take regular passengers to a tourism industry?

The cost. Tourist liners cost up to 10 times higher, than normal buses. With current capacities and cargo payments tourists liners are useless. It is much cheaper to transport them with standard city buses. To avoid this, we need to prevent tourist be transported by standard buses. The tourist would be paid about 5 times higher, than passengers, and the liners cost would be about 7-8 times higher, than a bus cost, and the running cost would be about 2 times lower.

nicfer · Post by **nicfer** » 30 Jul 2005 19:23

This will not work but is good idea: penalty if a tourist bus crashes.

goalie · Post by **goalie** » 30 Jul 2005 19:39

great thank you to everyone who works on this feture

cornelius · Post by **cornelius** » 30 Jul 2005 20:45

michael blunck wrote: lime pit -> lime -> cement works -> cement -> building industry ..., or
clay pit -> clay -> brick works -> bricks -> building industry ..., or
sand pit -> sand -> glass works -> glass -> building industry ....

Only the names would be different, but in fact the whole thing would be pretty generic.

So which one you get would depend on the train or country set? Sounds like a idea that could work. What would be the building industry be like... a Huf House factory maybe

http://www.hufhaus.com

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 30 Jul 2005 21:09

> So which one you get would depend on the train or country set?

Exactly. In fact, (seems I also like this flowery phrase, but here it´s true) all we need would be to change the texts for different .grfs / vehicle sets.

> What would be the building industry be like ...

I don´t know. It has relatively low priority on my list, ATM.

regards
Michael

wallyweb · Post by **wallyweb** » 31 Jul 2005 10:52

This sounds very interesting and I like your concept Michael ... Set specific industries and products ... just change the name of an existing product ... but be careful, don't want to change from one you need

Can someone work up a generic list of numbers along the lines of the one George posted, showing all available numbers, and post it somewhere (wiki?) for a set team to reference so they can see at a a glance which ones of the standard they'd like to replace for their set?

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