Mice in DOS

[Sean Casey]

Hello everyone.

After the recent discussion about DOS sound in Windows I was wondering if
you could help with my PC's problem.
I normally play TTo and TTDlx on my old 32meg P133, but I wanted to play it
on my newer PC (Giant Screenshots take a LOT less time to do), I can
sometimes run the game in windows, but when I use DOS my mouse in *any*
program works fine then stops responding for 1/2 seconds every 20ish secs.

My autoexec.bat is as follows (try the PROMPT statement for yourself, it's
quite cool)

*********
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 T4

@ECHO OFF

PROMPT Hello, it's $d. $p$g

lh C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Mscdex /D:CD001 /L:E
lh C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Mscdex /D:CD001 /L:F
lh Mouse.com > Nul

Path C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\;
**********

Apparently my mouse driver version is 7.04. Do I need to update it? I am
running Win 98 (first edition)

Thanks in advance for any help,
Sean

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[Bill Hayles]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:37:57 -0000, "Sean Casey"
<G...@gcasey.FR££$£RV£.co.uk> wrote:

My autoexec.bat is as follows (try the PROMPT statement for yourself, it's
quite cool)

Try this one (all on one line):


PROMPT $e[0m$e[33;46m$e[K4DOS under Windows Shell No.$z on $d at
$t$_$e[36;43m$e[KBase Memory: %%@dosmem[K]K º Expanded Memory:
%%@ems[K]K º Extended Memory: %%@xms[K]K$_$e[33;46m$e[KCurrent Path is
$P $e[5m¯¯$e[0m$e[1;33;44m$e[K

Do they not teach you ANSI.SYS escape codes any more?

Apparently my mouse driver version is 7.04. Do I need to update it? I am
running Win 98 (first edition)

Thanks in advance for any help,

I think it's an IRQ conflict.
Do you have a serial mouse or a PS/2 mouse? If you've a serial mouse,
what COM port is it on, and what other serial ports do you have? If
it's a PS/2 mouse, do you have anything else on IRQ12?

I've got a generic, "works with anything" MOUSE.COM courtesy of
Powerquest, which I'll happily email you if you think it would help.

Silly point. You use the word "mice" in the subject. Is that now
accepted - I was taught to use "mouses" to distinguish them from little
furry creatures that eat cheese.


From Benitachell, Alicante, Spain
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

[Sean Casey]

Bill Hayles wrote in message <38839639.4776...@enews.newsguy.com>...

On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:37:57 -0000, "Sean Casey"
G...@gcasey.FR££$£RV£.co.uk> wrote:


My autoexec.bat is as follows (try the PROMPT statement for yourself, it's
quite cool)

Try this one (all on one line):

PROMPT $e[0m$e[33;46m$e[K4DOS under Windows Shell No.$z on $d at
$t$_$e[36;43m$e[KBase Memory: %%@dosmem[K]K º Expanded Memory:
%%@ems[K]K º Extended Memory: %%@xms[K]K$_$e[33;46m$e[KCurrent Path is
$P $e[5m¯¯$e[0m$e[1;33;44m$e[K

???

Do they not teach you ANSI.SYS escape codes any more?

I figured out my prompt statement myself. I don't even know what ANSI.SYS
is!

Apparently my mouse driver version is 7.04. Do I need to update it? I am
running Win 98 (first edition)

Thanks in advance for any help,

I think it's an IRQ conflict.
Do you have a serial mouse or a PS/2 mouse? If you've a serial mouse,
what COM port is it on, and what other serial ports do you have? If
it's a PS/2 mouse, do you have anything else on IRQ12?

PS/2. I have 2 Serial ports (ATX style M/board) which I sometimes use to
*try* to connect to the old Packard Bell (never works, but that's a
different story altogether) with a null modem.

AFAIK, nothing uses IRQ1/2. How do I check? Device manager?

I've got a generic, "works with anything" MOUSE.COM courtesy of
Powerquest, which I'll happily email you if you think it would help.

Is it large? Free$haft seem to have problems with E-Mails that are big, but
my "mouse.com" zipped is ~15kb.

Silly point. You use the word "mice" in the subject. Is that now
accepted - I was taught to use "mouses" to distinguish them from little
furry creatures that eat cheese.

I am not to sure on this one. I, and everyone I know, call them "mice"
because "mouses" sounds unnatural.

From Benitachell, Alicante, Spain
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

[Rémi Denis]

Sean Casey <G...@gcasey.FR££$£RV£.co.uk> a écrit dans le message :
85ilqi$fn...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...

Hello everyone.

My autoexec.bat is as follows (try the PROMPT statement for yourself, it's
quite cool)

*********
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 T4

@ECHO OFF

PROMPT Hello, it's $d. $p$g

lh C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Mscdex /D:CD001 /L:E
lh C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Mscdex /D:CD001 /L:F

Apparently, one of this line is useless. Do you really need to mount your
CD-ROM drive on 2 different letters?

lh Mouse.com > Nul

Path C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\;
**********

Apparently my mouse driver version is 7.04. Do I need to update it? I am
running Win 98 (first edition)

You should use at least version 8 for a lot of common/popular DOS games.
I may send you the Microsoft Standard mouse driver v8.20 if you want.

Thanks in advance for any help,
Sean

[Phillip Michael Jordan]

You should use at least version 8 for a lot of common/popular DOS games.
I may send you the Microsoft Standard mouse driver v8.20 if you want.

I have version 10

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[Sean Casey]

lh C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Mscdex /D:CD001 /L:E
lh C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Mscdex /D:CD001 /L:F

Apparently, one of this line is useless. Do you really need to mount your
CD-ROM drive on 2 different letters?

I have a DVD drive and a CD drive, "borrowed" from my older PC. I added the
other line as I thought it would be required to use both drives.

Apparently my mouse driver version is 7.04. Do I need to update it? I am
running Win 98 (first edition)

You should use at least version 8 for a lot of common/popular DOS games.
I may send you the Microsoft Standard mouse driver v8.20 if you want.

Yes please!

[Bill Hayles]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:58:18 -0000, "Sean Casey"
<G...@gcasey.FR££$£RV£.co.uk> wrote:

Do they not teach you ANSI.SYS escape codes any more?


I figured out my prompt statement myself. I don't even know what ANSI.SYS
is!

ANSI.SYS is the device driver that makes all those escape codes
($e[0;31;46m etc) work.

AFAIK, nothing uses IRQ1/2. How do I check? Device manager?

Or DRWATSON or almost any diagnostic problem. But, to be honest, it's
most unlikely that anything else is taking IRQ12.

I've got a generic, "works with anything" MOUSE.COM courtesy of
Powerquest, which I'll happily email you if you think it would help.


Is it large? Free$haft seem to have problems with E-Mails that are big, but
my "mouse.com" zipped is ~15kb.

The one I would send is 20k.

I am not to sure on this one. I, and everyone I know, call them "mice"
because "mouses" sounds unnatural.

Fifteen years ago, it seemed odd to me, especially given my fussiness
when it comes to the use of language. But nowadays it seems as natural
as "upload" or "download", neither of which is in my dictionary!

From Benitachell, Alicante, Spain
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

[Bill Hayles]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:34:10 -0000, "Sean Casey"
<G...@gcasey.FR££$£RV£.co.uk> wrote:

lh C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Mscdex /D:CD001 /L:E
lh C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Mscdex /D:CD001 /L:F

Apparently, one of this line is useless. Do you really need to mount your
CD-ROM drive on 2 different letters?


I have a DVD drive and a CD drive, "borrowed" from my older PC. I added the
other line as I thought it would be required to use both drives.

But the two drives need different identities. You need a line for each
in CONFIG.SYS, something like

DEVICE=C:\DRIVERS\CDROM.SYS /D:CD001
DEVICE=C:\DRIVERS\DVDROM.SYS /D:CD002

Your AUTOEXEC.BAT would then reference them:

lh C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Mscdex /D:CD001 /L:E
lh C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Mscdex /D:CD002 /L:F

E: would then be your CD, and F: your DVD.

From Benitachell, Alicante, Spain
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

[Patchman]

In article <bkg08s0c6gjlv2e299e51dtlnfa6ob7...@4ax.com>, Bill Hayles
says...

On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:58:18 -0000, "Sean Casey"
G...@gcasey.FR££$£RV£.co.uk> wrote:
AFAIK, nothing uses IRQ1/2. How do I check? Device manager?

IRQ1 is the keyboard. IRQ2 is the second printer port on old machines,
or cascaded into IRQ9 on recent machines, and thus unusable itself. IRQ9
is often taken by graphics cards, but that should appear in the device
manager.

Or DRWATSON or almost any diagnostic problem. But, to be honest, it's
most unlikely that anything else is taking IRQ12.

IRQ12 is the PS/2 mouse port.

Or a complete list:
IRQ0 System timer
IRQ1 Keyboard
IRQ2 Cascaded into IRQ9
IRQ3 Serial port 2
IRQ4 Serial port 1
IRQ5 Second printer port on recent machines, or sound cards
IRQ6 Floppy drive
IRQ7 First printer port
IRQ8 CMOS Realtime clock
IRQ9 sometimes graphics cards, usually available
IRQ10 usually available
IRQ11 USB port
IRQ12 PS/2 mouse
IRQ13 Math coprocessor (builtin for all Pentiums)
IRQ14 First EIDE controller (first two drives)
IRQ15 Second EIDE controller (second two drives)

The ones that are definitely not available on any system are 0, 1, 2, 6,
8 and 13. For all the others it depends on whether the respective
devices are enabled.

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[Rémi Denis]

Phillip Michael Jordan <pmjor...@gmx.at.REMOVETHIS> a écrit dans le message
: 85nra4$98...@news.netway.at...

You should use at least version 8 for a lot of common/popular DOS games.
I may send you the Microsoft Standard mouse driver v8.20 if you want.

I have version 10

I got this one with a true Microsoft Mouse, but it takes much more
useful-for-DOS-programs memory and has no additionnal interesting feature.

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TTDSI for short
currently Beta 5
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[Bill Hayles]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:18:29 GMT, jdrex...@julian.uwo.canada (Josef
Drexler) wrote:

In article <bkg08s0c6gjlv2e299e51dtlnfa6ob7...@4ax.com>, Bill Hayles
says...
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:58:18 -0000, "Sean Casey"
G...@gcasey.FR££$£RV£.co.uk> wrote:
AFAIK, nothing uses IRQ1/2. How do I check? Device manager?

I took this to be a typo for IRQ 12

IRQ1 is the keyboard. IRQ2 is the second printer port on old machines,
or cascaded into IRQ9 on recent machines, and thus unusable itself. IRQ9
is often taken by graphics cards, but that should appear in the device
manager.

Or DRWATSON or almost any diagnostic problem. But, to be honest, it's
most unlikely that anything else is taking IRQ12.

IRQ12 is the PS/2 mouse port.

And the original post talked about the mouse freezing, which I have
known to happen with a serial mouse using IRQ 3 or 4 and sharing it with
another device. I've never known it to happen with a PS/2 mouse, though.

Or a complete list:
IRQ0 System timer
IRQ1 Keyboard
IRQ2 Cascaded into IRQ9
IRQ3 Serial port 2
IRQ4 Serial port 1
IRQ5 Second printer port on recent machines, or sound cards
IRQ6 Floppy drive
IRQ7 First printer port
IRQ8 CMOS Realtime clock
IRQ9 sometimes graphics cards, usually available
IRQ10 usually available
IRQ11 USB port
IRQ12 PS/2 mouse
IRQ13 Math coprocessor (builtin for all Pentiums)
IRQ14 First EIDE controller (first two drives)
IRQ15 Second EIDE controller (second two drives)

The ones that are definitely not available on any system are 0, 1, 2, 6,
8 and 13. For all the others it depends on whether the respective
devices are enabled.

All I would add to that is that if I can, I tend to steer clear of IRQ9
as the cascade to and from IRQ2 can do funny things.

From Benitachell, Alicante, Spain
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

[Sean Casey]

Bill Hayles wrote in message ...

On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:34:10 -0000, "Sean Casey"
G...@gcasey.FR££$£RV£.co.uk> wrote:

lh C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Mscdex /D:CD001 /L:E
lh C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Mscdex /D:CD001 /L:F

I have a DVD drive and a CD drive, "borrowed" from my older PC. I added
the
other line as I thought it would be required to use both drives.

But the two drives need different identities. You need a line for each
in CONFIG.SYS, something like

DEVICE=C:\DRIVERS\CDROM.SYS /D:CD001
DEVICE=C:\DRIVERS\DVDROM.SYS /D:CD002

OK, I will try that but it works with my current config.

Your AUTOEXEC.BAT would then reference them:

lh C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Mscdex /D:CD001 /L:E
lh C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Mscdex /D:CD002 /L:F

E: would then be your CD, and F: your DVD.

From Benitachell, Alicante, Spain
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

[Rick McGreal]

Bill Hayles <bill...@ctv.es> wrote in message
news:38839639.4776785@enews.newsguy.com...

Silly point. You use the word "mice" in the subject. Is that now
accepted - I was taught to use "mouses" to distinguish them from little
furry creatures that eat cheese.

Hmmm.....I've always used 'Moose'.......Not joking......

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[Sean Casey]

Rick McGreal wrote in message <867k0o$j6...@gxsn.com>...

Bill Hayles <bill...@ctv.es> wrote in message
news:38839639.4776785@enews.newsguy.com...
Silly point. You use the word "mice" in the subject. Is that now
accepted - I was taught to use "mouses" to distinguish them from little
furry creatures that eat cheese.

Hmmm.....I've always used 'Moose'.......Not joking......

Aye, but the singular up here is "moose" and the plural "mooses". Seriously.