Your favorite junction/station layouts? Pros and cons!

Gronk · Post by **Gronk** » 28 Feb 2005 00:38

For my networks, I have this type as a standard, and modify it to suit the junction.

mtcutter · Post by **mtcutter** » 28 Feb 2005 07:40

StarLite wrote:I like the spaghetti way, I use it everywhere

holy s***.... good junction it looks to me

ThorRune · Post by **ThorRune** » 28 Feb 2005 12:10

http://www.tt-forums.net//files/cunford ... 15_398.png

Woah! What a wasteof time

You'll never get enough trains to fill that. I never expand my tracks unless it's painfully full, and there it's painfully empty

StarLite · Post by **StarLite** » 28 Feb 2005 13:00

ThorRune wrote:
http://www.tt-forums.net//files/cunford ... 15_398.png
Woah! What a wasteof time You'll never get enough trains to fill that. I never expand my tracks unless it's painfully full, and there it's painfully empty

it's a 1024x1024 map, so yes I will be overloading it sooner or later, the number of industries on those maps is insane [I have over 350 trains, and I only connected like 5% of all the farms

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mtcutter wrote:
StarLite wrote:I like the spaghetti way, I use it everywhere
holy s***.... good junction it looks to me

It works fine, altho the 2-45-degree-nerf sucks on this junction, as trains slow down to a crawl [55mph / 88kmh] when you place 2 turns behind eachother...

zcram · Post by **zcram** » 03 Mar 2005 15:05

Hello. This is my Middle-Of-The-Line station. Works awkeye for most of the time. Any number of station rows or underpass ways can be used, altho i find this version most optimal for small stations. Very big stations are better not built like this, because implementing roro-splitting here is not really space-effective. Besides, you would do passing separately on a really big station anyway.

PRO:

Trains can still pass the station if it is crowded
Trains can use the station area to pass if underway is crowded
Takes relatively little space
Can safely sit on the line w/o any usage

CONTRA:

This station without cons, LOL

Regards

Sionide · Post by **Sionide** » 03 Mar 2005 15:19

i can think of a con.

there's no way for a train to go to the station, then go back the other way, without going all the round the extendable terminus end bit which could go on for a long way...

zcram · Post by **zcram** » 03 Mar 2005 16:43

Sionide: You're right. Nevertheless, it might take a long time for a train to travel all that way but i've noticed that once you've built it, this station is very easy to maintain.

jvassie · Post by **jvassie** » 03 Mar 2005 17:00

if you were building and playing quite realistically, then the trains schedule would mean that it didnt have to turn around at a station such as that. but keep going to the terminus station to stop, then come back!

james

Sionide · Post by **Sionide** » 03 Mar 2005 20:06

yeah, suppose so but what if it were a goods train, delivering goods to the city, besides, all it would take to edit that is a junction at either end of the station... I think i'll try that layout out next time I play!

Cadde · Post by **Cadde** » 03 Mar 2005 21:09

zcram wrote:

This station without cons, LOL

Well as others already mentioned...
The only downsides is:

that the station has to bee entered and then left out the other end just to go under or through the station again.
If the trains go underneath it has to travel a slope to come back up again...
There are many curves that a train has to go slow through

And if it where me i would rather want my trains to wait for a free station slot instead of just going past the station until there is one...
Your station is a diffrent type of loop around track so other trains can steal free slots A LOT...

Otherwise a very nice layout

for now im always building three track mainlines as well...

they kind of look like this:

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Fully signaled with presignals so that trains always choose the non occupied track.

//CADDE

zcram · Post by **zcram** » 04 Mar 2005 10:43

Cadde: Care to share some screenies with these presignals on 'em?

Cadde · Post by **Cadde** » 04 Mar 2005 19:48

zcram wrote:Cadde: Care to share some screenies with these presignals on 'em?

Basically it looks like this:

They work like this:

Trains can pass over to another track if there isn't a train on the track next to it.
There is one Presignal (Entrance) on each track and then there is presignal COMBOs on the "ramps" and just between the two "ramps".
Then finally all tracks have presignal exits...
Every signal but the entrance signals are two way so trains will choose the one that is free and if both are red then it will wait for one to be green to make a choice.

I was planning on making priority lines so that trains dont shift track if they would interfere with another train but i choose this design for now...

Also i just made a 3 track "spaghetti" like junction with an enourmous gap...
All my stations are 20 squares in length and i keep track spaceing to avoid lots of curves.

Here it is:

When i built some more of the mainline and start using trains on it i will post a savegame.

//CADDE

Cadde · Post by **Cadde** » 05 Mar 2005 06:28

Im going NUTS!!!

I've built my train network with good hope that the new 3 track layout would be just perfect BUT...

My FARM WEST station (i named it) just wont work as i want it to...

Heres a map view of my southern network:

My network had no waypoints because i thought everything would just work out fine but then i saw that my farm trains and my iron ore trains started using the same tracks.
I found out that this was a pathfinding issue where my farm trains did choose the upper track between my junctions because they where closer to the factory according to pathfinding.
My iron ore trains used the same track for the same reason but their target is of course the steel mill.

So i built STATIONS as waypoints. (Dont want normal waypoints because i cant combine them to one 3 track waypoint)
This solved the problem with pathfinding forcing the trains onto a single track but then another problem came up at my farm station...

The station looked like this prior to change:

The problem was that trains coming from the factory now came at a the third track always because i placed a pre station so trains wouldnt change tracks unneccisarely...
So i remodeled my tracks to this:

But my stupid trains then returned to being dumb and using one and only entrance at my station like the one on the image and i also know that there will be more future problems with that layout...

What i want is my trains to actually take full use of every track in my network without unneccisarly disturbing eachother...

//CADDE

I think a savegame will explain better than i can!

nzhook · Post by **nzhook** » 06 Mar 2005 10:42

Argggg, dead server.

Half of the images dont show for this thread, could you migrate them to more reliable server please. Then I could comment on if I use the ones listed, or a different version. (although my layouts are really basic)

If you really need the space PM me and ill see if I can allocate osme space on my webserver in the US.

Prof. Frink · Post by **Prof. Frink** » 06 Mar 2005 11:54

Or upload them to the forums, or use Imageshack.

Post by **orudge** » 06 Mar 2005 12:25

ImageShack is blocked at my school/hostel, so please use the forum.

Beeblebrox · Post by **Beeblebrox** » 06 Mar 2005 15:11

once upon a time i read about off-line stations. i think that was on owen's repository page.
I designed my own.

Pros:
- looks cool
- the trains can turn back, go straight, whatever they want, and they wont cross the line of the other direction.

cons:
- not too easy to build, especially for the first time
- almost impossible to widen the station later(especially if you put it next to the city, and at the other side are the main lines, like on the picture.)
- takes a lot of space

but i like it. and can handle a lot of trains, without causing too large jams. especially if you leave a long track for entering trains to que there up.

ConductorBob · Post by **ConductorBob** » 06 Mar 2005 16:38

I also have to say a con being theres only one station for each direction. Try widening that up to a 4 track station and double signal it.

Beeblebrox · Post by **Beeblebrox** » 06 Mar 2005 16:44

ConductorBob wrote:I also have to say a con being theres only one station for each direction. Try widening that up to a 4 track station and double signal it.

i know, that picture is only about the layout. i made before this for larger stations as well. but i like big rebuild projects

Torben DH · Post by **Torben DH** » 06 Mar 2005 19:12

@Cadde

I`ve tried your system out in my testgame and it seems to be working alrigth, although i hae to use a few waypoints to get the 150 trains into the main station fast enough..........

Btw checked your scenario out and couldnt help wondering why so many farms/ormines? just use the modify production values, and one factory will soon be filled there is a maximum of 18000 crates from factory/oilrig/sawmill..........

check my savegame of my testgame out........

Damn it wont upload now ill try again later

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