[REL] LMS Express Passenger Carriage

Bloodnok · Post by **Bloodnok** » 29 Sep 2004 21:13

Ever get irritated with having 90mph locomotives coming out of your ears, but nothing to pull that is cleared for more than 60mph?

Well, I was too. Until now.

I modified the MkI a bit to come up with an LMS express passenger carriage. The graphics are slightly modded, and the stats changed to values appropriate for an LMS carriage.

The BR MkI was based on an LMS design, so it's not that out of place to use the BR MkI graphics as the basis of an LMS express carriage. Not that the Locomotion graphics for the BR MkI are that accurate anyway - it should have at least two more windows and a door in the middle...

Anyway, the LMS express carriage looks like this:

and goes like this:

Oh, and it can be downloaded from HERE. Please let me know what you think.

UPDATE: Version 1.1

Now introduced in a more prototypical 1933 - use Pikkabird's Pullman for 90mph trains in 1927. Reduced capacity to 42 (first class) to make the surburban carriage more appealing for commuter runs.

Singaporekid · Post by **Singaporekid** » 30 Sep 2004 08:57

Yay! Finally something for my favourite period, the steam era
Thanks a lot Bloodnok!

Spader · Post by **Spader** » 30 Sep 2004 09:10

It's great. I will be using it.
The only downside is the graphics. I think they need some more work.

/Spader

Singaporekid · Post by **Singaporekid** » 30 Sep 2004 09:15

I don't really think so, cause the it matches the mail car

Bloodnok · Post by **Bloodnok** » 30 Sep 2004 10:01

Spader wrote:It's great. I will be using it.
The only downside is the graphics. I think they need some more work.

I did say it was a quick hack

If i was doing proper rendered graphics, I'd do a pullman car. I haven't the time for setting out all the rendering at the moment, but as no-one else has done something to fit this area yet, I thought I'd release this. When someone does do something better, we can consign this to the dustbin of history, and play with some better looking carriages. (I'm unlikely to be making much for Locomotion in the near future - I've not got the time to spare at the moment.)

PennCentral · Post by **PennCentral** » 30 Sep 2004 11:41

Very nice blood.

Emdec · Post by **Emdec** » 30 Sep 2004 12:34

Thanks Bloodnock.

Any relation to a famous retired army general known to associate with one Neddy Seagoon?

Quince99 · Post by **Quince99** » 30 Sep 2004 17:03

Why is 1927 early for LMS, do you think? I thought grouping was in 1923 therefore the company existed?

Someone with more historical knowledge please enlighten me...

Oh, and 90mph coach MOST welcome!!

Bloodnok · Post by **Bloodnok** » 30 Sep 2004 20:24

Quince99 wrote:Why is 1927 early for LMS, do you think? I thought grouping was in 1923 therefore the company existed?

I have a feeling that the LMS carriage design that predated the BR MkI was a 30's design?

I could very easily be wrong though.

I've not paid a great amount of attention to this period of railway history - the APT is far more interesting to me - but the game is so missing a decent early passenger carriage I decided to have a go

blackfour · Post by **blackfour** » 30 Sep 2004 20:38

I thought the MK1 was in line from Bulleids coaches of the late '40's? I could be wrong, of course...probably am, in fact...
Tom

Quince99 · Post by **Quince99** » 30 Sep 2004 20:45

OK... bit of research done here:

LMS Period 1 coaches - introduced 1924-28, running up to 1960s.

LMS Period 2 coaches - introduced 1929-32, running up to 1960s.

LMS Period 3 coaches - introduced 1932-50, running up to 1970s.

The coaches here are (most likely) the Period 3, flush-sided ones designed by Stanier, shortly after his appointment as CME in 1932.

Bloodnok · Post by **Bloodnok** » 01 Oct 2004 08:26

Quince99 wrote:OK... bit of research done here:

LMS Period 1 coaches - introduced 1924-28, running up to 1960s.

LMS Period 2 coaches - introduced 1929-32, running up to 1960s.

LMS Period 3 coaches - introduced 1932-50, running up to 1970s.

The coaches here are (most likely) the Period 3, flush-sided ones designed by Stanier, shortly after his appointment as CME in 1932.

1933 was the date I had in mind, but wasn't too certain where it had come from. (Hmmm... If they were running up to the 70's, I should probably increase the length of time they are available in Locomotion...)

Bloodnok · Post by **Bloodnok** » 01 Oct 2004 08:32

blackfour wrote:I thought the MK1 was in line from Bulleids coaches of the late '40's? I could be wrong, of course...probably am, in fact...
Tom

IIRC O.V.S. Bulleid's coaches look significantly different in detail, but are a similar construction and layout.

Have a look at the doors and windows of an LMS carriage and an SR carriage - the doors and windows on an LMS carriage look much more like that of a BR MkI, whereas the doors and windows of the SR carriage are different. The doors have a rather unique extra window at the top of them, for example.

From the Locomotion perspective, it's the overall look and feel of the coach I'm after, rather than the internal construction, so this is most definately an LMS coach rather than an SR one

Steve · Post by **Steve** » 01 Oct 2004 09:03

I really don't agree with the methods here. The game was designed with the current carriages and speed limits, and i think the speed limits are one of the best features of the game. It seems a little cheap to just create a super carriage.
I'm not opposed to new vehicles, as long as they make sense in the Loco world and are not just TGVs with steam coming out the top.

-matt- · Post by **-matt-** » 01 Oct 2004 15:00

So whats the point of engines with high top speeds if you cant use them at that speed then?

Cheers

Villem · Post by **Villem** » 02 Oct 2004 13:42

is this something like your looking for?Note:This is not made by me, i found it off 3D Cafe.

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 02 Oct 2004 17:36

Akalamanaia wrote:is this something like your looking for?Note:This is not made by me, i found it off 3D Cafe.

why would the LMS(UK) have anything to do with the Orient express? (germany/other Europe companies)

Bloodnok · Post by **Bloodnok** » 03 Oct 2004 11:23

Steve wrote:I really don't agree with the methods here. The game was designed with the current carriages and speed limits, and i think the speed limits are one of the best features of the game. It seems a little cheap to just create a super carriage.

This isn't a "super carriage" - it's a pretty good approximation of a REAL carriage. It's a better approximation of an LMS express carriage than the game's approximation of a BR MkI anyway. (A BR MkI should be capable of 100mph when fitted with Commonwealth or B4 bogeys - only those with BR1's were restricted to 90. Some MkI BG's were fitted with B5 bogeys, and these were permitted to 110mph).

I'm not opposed to new vehicles, as long as they make sense in the Loco world and are not just TGVs with steam coming out the top.

This is absolutely not a 'cheat' vehicle - I would not use such a vehicle, let alone create one.

The difference is I'd like to make Locomotion closer to real-world, rather than change reality to fit locomotion

.

In the 30's, the UK led the world in high speed train travel. One of the locos that is represented in locomotion holds the world speed record for steam - the Gresley A4. 'Mallard' reached 126mph with a full train on the back. 90mph is a little tame considering.

Bloodnok · Post by **Bloodnok** » 03 Oct 2004 11:34

Akalamanaia wrote:is this something like your looking for?Note:This is not made by me, i found it off 3D Cafe.

Not really, something more like this:

Davie_UCF · Post by **Davie_UCF** » 03 Oct 2004 14:56

Great one Bloodnok

Cheers!

Davie

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