FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Development

[andythenorth]

Game Crash!!!

Yair, it's this https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/7631

[Diesel Power]

Found another one.
Houses are accepting carbon steel.

[andythenorth]

Houses are accepting carbon steel.

Yes. I don't know of any fix for that one.

• some base set houses accept cargo 05
• cargo 05 is Goods, so by current convention, industry sets need to include Goods in cargo slot 05, or an equivalent appropriate cargo
• the Steeltown economy does't include Goods cargo
• Steeltown has Carbon Steel in slot 05, so houses accept Carbon Steel

Options so far

• add Goods to Steeltown to fix houses?
• make a houses grf that resets cargo for all houses in the base set?
• have FIRS reset cargos for all houses in the base set?
• ???

[piratescooby]

I would add Goods to town , Iron monger style goods , nails,screws ,household metal goods . I have dabbled here and there testing , Delivered the materials to the furnaces , does not seem to produce Carbon Steel , Alloy Steel .Other industries seem to produce no cargo , Petrol , Cement Farm/Engineering supplies . Is this because of the error , 'Invalid cargo ' . The Farmstead can this Produce Food , seems a bit odd just Producing Passengers , or are the Passengers for the cannibalistic market ? Apart from the wee bugs a great wee Set .

[Alberth]

My intuition says that a cargo specification should also state which cargoes are safe for home consumption, to have sane defaults. In the current system that would imply there is no cargo number 5, perhaps.

A house set may have different ideas, and accept other cargoes (no idea what is possible there currently), so you could have a shop that sells unicorns or molten steel if so desired.

[andythenorth]

My intuition says that a cargo specification should also state which cargoes are safe for home consumption, to have sane defaults. In the current system that would imply there is no cargo number 5, perhaps.

Industries that use cargo labels simply drop any non-available cargos. Base set houses perhaps don't do that?

[alluke]

FIRS 3 has broken cargo graphics for some vehicle sets. Metal appears as general box cargo, this doesn't happen with FIRS 2 & 1, ECS nor vanilla.

[andythenorth]

FIRS 3 has broken cargo graphics for some vehicle sets. Metal appears as general box cargo, this doesn't happen with FIRS 2 & 1, ECS nor vanilla.

Report it to vehicle sets. The label changed from STEL (an abuse of long-established label) to METL. This wasn’t just a whim, there are internal constraints on using the same label for two different cargos (FIRS 3 includes both Steel and Metal cargos in different economies).

The issue will be that the vehicle set doesn’t handle METL with dedicated sprites, so uses box. However be aware that some vehicle set authors will not welcome this.

It will get much worse with FIRS 4, I’m adding lots more niche cargos

[Aegir]

FIRS 3 has broken cargo graphics for some vehicle sets. Metal appears as general box cargo, this doesn't happen with FIRS 2 & 1, ECS nor vanilla.

Report it to vehicle sets. The label changed from STEL (an abuse of long-established label) to METL. This wasn’t just a whim, there are internal constraints on using the same label for two different cargos (FIRS 3 includes both Steel and Metal cargos in different economies).

The issue will be that the vehicle set doesn’t handle METL with dedicated sprites, so uses box. However be aware that some vehicle set authors will not welcome this.

It will get much worse with FIRS 4, I’m adding lots more niche cargos

I guess it's a matter of vehicle sets having sane sensible defaults to fall back to. Piece goods falling back to box cargo instead of on open stakes probably isn't too bad. For ores, especially valuable ones, covered loads probably aren't too big a stretch. A nearby copper mine to me springs to mind, their copper for instance is brought down from the mine by road in sealed containers that look pretty much like intermodal containers. I don't know if the top opens up and they dump straight in there or what goes on though.

[GarryG]

I think you just hit the nail on the head Andy .. when look at the different codes used in the past for cargos there are several different codes used for the same cargo types.

Wonder if a list can be started what is used for the main/default cargos so that others like myself with the train sets can use the same codes.

EDIT:

Sent it before I finished and then had a power blackout for a few moments.

Those interested a list for cargos can be found here.
Cargo labels in OpenTTD
https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/C ... rgo_Labels

You will see several cargos with different labels.

[webbhost]

excuse me for being thick - im new to newGRF etc....

I loaded this FIRS into game - and I do see different industries, however I do NOT see 70... I see about 19?

Bulk terminal, Cider mill, clay pit etc... no ammonia plant, aluminium plant and so on.

What have I done wrong?

[Erato]

excuse me for being thick - im new to newGRF etc....

I loaded this FIRS into game - and I do see different industries, however I do NOT see 70... I see about 19?

Bulk terminal, Cider mill, clay pit etc... no ammonia plant, aluminium plant and so on.

What have I done wrong?

Hey there!

This is completely normal behaviour. FIRS has 6 different economies to play with, which you can take a look at here. You can choose which industries you want to play with by going into the parameters and selecting a different economy.

This screen can be accessed in the NewGRF settings. By default FIRS will load Temperate Basic, which has 19 industries. If you want to play with the largest amount of industries available, choose Extreme, which has 51 industries.

Hope this helps.

[webbhost]

Thank you, that was very useful.

One last question, I loved the 'original' train sets, i.e. starting with slow steam, and finishing with ultra-fast maglev trains.... the train set I have used is just slow trains even starting in year 2050.

What train sets out there would people suggest to keep as close an experience to the original as possible?

Would love to try this industry set, just want to keep fast trains after the years go by.

[kamnet]

Thank you, that was very useful.

One last question, I loved the 'original' train sets, i.e. starting with slow steam, and finishing with ultra-fast maglev trains.... the train set I have used is just slow trains even starting in year 2050.

What train sets out there would people suggest to keep as close an experience to the original as possible?

Would love to try this industry set, just want to keep fast trains after the years go by.

OpenGFX+ Trains is a NewGRF re-implementation of original vehicles, with some improved stats and visual fixes, if you want to keep those original trains.
Erato has released a couple of Maglev train sets, one based on real trains.
Emperor Jake has a nice vacuum-tube train set for super high speeds.

[webbhost]

Thanks, assuming you can use the original GFX train set with the tube ones simultaneously? Would be nice!

I'll look into the ones you mentioned

[kamnet]

Thanks, assuming you can use the original GFX train set with the tube ones simultaneously? Would be nice!

I'll look into the ones you mentioned

I believe if you use Vactrains with the original vehicles that it will overwrite either maglev or monorail (I think it's a configurable setting). If you use it with OpenGFX+ Trains then it will be an additional track set. In all honesty, there's no reason not to run OpenGFX+ Trains if you like any of the vehicles from the original.

[Alberth]

Firs 3.0.12 steeltown, openttd c7c1d1cb0, port picked a nice spot along the edge:

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[kamnet]

Ooh, I like that! I'm assuming there was just a small bit of land that happened to crop up right there. I think I'll start borrowing that technique!

[Alberth]

Ooh, good point, I assumed it used the invisible tiles as "land"
As a test I cheat-deleted the industry, and you're right:

[perverted monkey]

Even so it looks weird.