General Dutch and Belgium Transport Talk

Illegal_Alien · Post by **Illegal_Alien** » 06 May 2007 15:45

Purno wrote:Syntus? Did Connexxion gave up their Veenexxpress? This means that soon there'll be no Wadlopers left?

They will run it for Connexxion. I dont know what they will do with the Wadlopers though.

XeryusTC · Post by **XeryusTC** » 06 May 2007 17:25

The Wadlopers will be around for some more years I guess, the plans to electrify the lines have been postponed. I guess they will keep the Wadlopers running until the lines are electrfied, it would seem like a waste of money if they will be replaced by other trains.

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 06 May 2007 17:32

XeryusTC wrote:The Wadlopers will be around for some more years I guess, the plans to electrify the lines have been postponed. I guess they will keep the Wadlopers running until the lines are electrfied, it would seem like a waste of money if they will be replaced by other trains.

Then why did Arriva already buy the GTWs?

Illegal_Alien · Post by **Illegal_Alien** » 06 May 2007 17:43

Wadloper will be out of service soon, and probaly getting the same faith as the SM'90`s, Or the NS are going to use them for other stuff. *

So soon the Wadloper wont be around. (Is there a foundation to conserve at least a Wadloper 1 and 2 ?)

* Please note that this is what i know.

NitrousX · Post by **NitrousX** » 06 May 2007 19:20

There are until now no plans for electrification of the norhtern lines where Arriva runs trains. The only line that could be electrified is Groningen Leeuwarden, or Groningen - Leer (Bremen).

First they will have to double all the tracks between these city's before electrification can be usefull.

The new GTW's are a part of a 15 year consession on the northern lines so there won't be anything done until 2020.
What happens then i do not know, like everyone else. Maybe the NS will take it over again

XeryusTC · Post by **XeryusTC** » 06 May 2007 19:43

Purno wrote:
XeryusTC wrote:The Wadlopers will be around for some more years I guess, the plans to electrify the lines have been postponed. I guess they will keep the Wadlopers running until the lines are electrfied, it would seem like a waste of money if they will be replaced by other trains.
Then why did Arriva already buy the GTWs?

They did? I didn't know that

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Purno · Post by **Purno** » 06 May 2007 19:52

XeryusTC wrote:
Purno wrote:
XeryusTC wrote:The Wadlopers will be around for some more years I guess, the plans to electrify the lines have been postponed. I guess they will keep the Wadlopers running until the lines are electrfied, it would seem like a waste of money if they will be replaced by other trains.
Then why did Arriva already buy the GTWs?
They did? I didn't know that .

They did for some lines in Groningen, I believe. And IIRC, I saw a few in Leeuwarden too, last time I visited you.

Illegal_Alien · Post by **Illegal_Alien** » 15 May 2007 18:31

I just saw that Friesland is going invest around 52 (including the new engines) million in a new Steamproject, wich will include building of

:!: 2 BRAND NEW Steamengines.

:!:
(Costs: 12 million) Should be finished in 2010.

Holy crap

Source: http://www.leeuwardercourant.nl/nieuws/ ... 860312.ece (dutch)

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 15 May 2007 18:39

How cool. Too bad they're building brand new steamers though. Using old ones would be so much... more real.

XeryusTC · Post by **XeryusTC** » 15 May 2007 18:42

Hmm, cool, that is near my home! Actually the town I live in lies on the Sneek-Stavoren line

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DeletedUser21 · Post by **DeletedUser21** » 16 May 2007 06:26

Awesome! They will be build according to current technology and enviroment friendly. Whoa! It's a bit of how the age of steam engines would look like today if we were still using steamers.

Cool!

hertogjan · Post by **hertogjan** » 16 May 2007 09:03

Actually steam engines can be remarkably efficient. According to wikipedia, steam engines can have efficiency ratios of 50% and higher, and even more when waste heat is used for other purposes. However, these high efficiency ratios may only be feasible in large installations. Therefore, a steam locomotive might not achieve such high ratios.
Locomotives using multiple expansion (high- and low-pressure cylinders) have been built in the past, and maybe by improving the design even further using modern engineering, one can build locomotives that may be as efficient as (or even more efficient than) locomotives with other types of traction (i.e., combustion engines and electric engines).

Illegal_Alien · Post by **Illegal_Alien** » 16 May 2007 09:18

I am hoping that they get a bit of a "classic" steam engine look. And i like to know how strong they are compared to its diesel and/or electric brothers

Illegal_Alien · Post by **Illegal_Alien** » 25 Jun 2007 10:43

Station Alkmaar has been closed after a shooting; 1 dead the other one heavely wounded.

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 25 Jun 2007 10:52

Damn, the whole station? :/

Illegal_Alien · Post by **Illegal_Alien** » 25 Jun 2007 10:56

http://www.nu.nl/news/1127926/10/Dode_b ... kmaar.html

The whole station, people can get delays up to one hour.

RTL.nl got more details:

A young woman was shot in the back and then in the head, the man who did is tried to kill himself by shooting through its head, he is heavely wounded transported to a hospital.

DeletedUser21 · Post by **DeletedUser21** » 25 Jun 2007 11:26

WTF?! Crazy people! Was there any reason?

Post by **Dave** » 25 Jun 2007 11:31

Probably a domestic altercation. She's left him, he's followed her with a gun, she's been waiting for her train to leave teh place, he's found her, shot her dead, then tried to shoot himself. Common occurrence. 2 women die as a result of domestic altercations in Britain every week.

Illegal_Alien · Post by **Illegal_Alien** » 22 Jul 2007 07:18

Some information from the Low lands:

The Netherlands:

First PROTOS in Valeilijn colors will arrive one of these days: (5 are ordered)

The RET (Transport company in Rotterdam) has just made the following order:

Bombardier: 11 + 43 new Metrotrains to replace the old ones. (11 for the "Hoekselijn" and the rest for the replacement.)

Alstom: 53 Citadis2 low-floor trams as replacement for the old trams. 10 or 15 of the old ones will get the new RET Livery and will be stored as back-up. With 113 Citadis trams Rotterdam will have the biggest Citadis fleet of the world.

No pictures found but probaly they will look the same as the first Citadis:

And Connexxion will continue with the "Parkshuttle" project (Automated Mover), wich will be running again after this summer.

Illegal_Alien · Post by **Illegal_Alien** » 26 Jul 2007 17:20

And we had an almost head to head accident;

The goodstrain had propane tanks.

More: http://ivo-vandijk.magix.net/userwebsit ... t=15&pos=1

Both did go 40kmh.

edit: For Wadloper fans, i think its end of the line for them...

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