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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by jvassie » 08 Feb 2010 19:46

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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by The Irish » 13 Feb 2010 10:14

Why terrible?
works fine for me. The only thing would be the implementation of real push-pull, but that's just a nice to have.
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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by Ameecher » 13 Feb 2010 23:33

The Irish wrote:Why terrible?
works fine for me. The only thing would be the implementation of real push-pull, but that's just a nice to have.
Can't be done without hacking the code of DBSetXL which as we all know is very bad.
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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by Roland0815 » 15 Jan 2011 10:01

Just for Info:

Doubledeck-Coaches running since 1930s in Germany. Already Push-Pull. LBE It was pulled (or pushed) with an BR60 streamline.

It would be nice, if the Set can support the whole (color)-Palette of the Coaches from 1936 trough the DR (east) to today.

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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by jvassie » 16 Jan 2011 21:54

Roland0815 wrote:Just for Info:

Doubledeck-Coaches running since 1930s in Germany. Already Push-Pull. LBE It was pulled (or pushed) with an BR60 streamline.

It would be nice, if the Set can support the whole (color)-Palette of the Coaches from 1936 trough the DR (east) to today.
The first step would be to source some photos and assemble a list of said liveries. Any chance you might help with that, you seem quite knowledgable on the subject :)
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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by Eddi » 16 Jan 2011 23:31

technically, all these are NOT "DB double decker coaches", double decker coaches were almost exclusively DR [east] until the 1990's

LBE livery [1930's]: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... kwagen.jpg [fixed double-units, yellow: 2nd class, green: 3rd class. later repainted all green after DB took over]
DR livery [1950's]: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 000434.jpg [fixed double- and quadruple units, later also quintuple units for long-distance travels, green]
DR livery (S-Bahn) [1980's]: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... q_(2x).jpg [single units, yellow-brownish]
DB livery [1990's]: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... zf_777.jpg [single units, mint-green]
DB livery [2000's]: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/d ... kwagen.jpg [single units, red]
future DB livery [2010's]: http://www.bombardier.com/files/de/supp ... EXX-HR.jpg [single long-distance units, white with red line]
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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by michael blunck » 17 Jan 2011 09:32

[In addition to Eddi]

Until 1990, the DB did not use any double deck coaches, except the inherited 7 units of the former LBE, of which 4 survived until 1977; and 6 prototypical units built in early 1950s (DC4ümg, DBC4ümg and DBCRümg, both in 23m and in UIC standard length). Only other double deck vehicles ever were the well-known Rheingold dining-cars.

Only after the DR/DB merger of 1990, the new DB got a full stock of ex-DR double deck coaches:

- 747 Dbuz of 1974 ..,
- 760 DABbuzf of 1992/93,
- 777 DABuzf of 1974 ..,
- 778 DABbuzf of 1974 ..,

And only in later years, the DB ordered new double deck coaches:

- 750 DBz of 1993,
- 751 DBz of 1994,
- 752 DBpz of 1997,
- 753 DBPz of 1998,
- 756 DABz of 1994 - 97,
- 757.5 DABPz of 1998,
- 758 DABPz of 1998,
- 761 DBpzf of 1995/96,
- 762 DABpzf of 1995/96,
- 763 DBpbzf of 1997,
- 764 DABpbzf of 1997,
...

Rebuilt coaches were all very similar (except the heads of the driving trailers), and as such are included in DBXL 0.9, together with a couple of post-1993 vehicles. However, modelling the original DR stock would be a quite different cup of tea. Those double deckers were mainly "articulated trains", i.e. using Jacobs´ bogies, they couldn´t be de-clutched in normal service.

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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by Ameecher » 17 Jan 2011 17:06

This was only ever created to fill James' and myself need for double deck coaches in our DBSet games. I have no intention of making it a complete representation, we'll leave the up to Michael should he so desire in v0.9 of the DBSet.
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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by Roland0815 » 21 Jan 2011 19:44

I have googled some (the most popular) colors used by the DR.
This color cames in units with 4 waggons afair 80km/h. In these dark-green waggons are runnig from the beginning to the end of the DR(east).
S-Bahn Halle/Leipzig Single-unit waggon. Some of these waggons running through the whole DDR.
S-Bahn Berlinsingle-unit waggon.
Units with 5 waggons for higher speed. afair 120km/h (160km/h planned)
The 5-units type has also become an post-coach with the same outline. For the other colors came no post-coaches.
Unfortunaly i have no pictures for the doubledeck-postcoach. Also there was planned for salon-coaches (afair "normal" outline). The post- and salon-coaches are single-units.

The colors past 1990 are well dokumented in "mint-green/white" and "verkehrsrot/weiss" (red/white). Only the last ones are in the existing Set. For these color-shema existing no post-coaches or other varitys. (in this case the set goes wrong).

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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by Ameecher » 22 Jan 2011 00:15

And I refer you again to my previous post...
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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by michael blunck » 22 Jan 2011 09:10

Ameecher wrote:And I refer you again to my previous post...
And to Eddi´s ...

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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by jvassie » 23 Jan 2011 21:50

michael blunck wrote:
Ameecher wrote:And I refer you again to my previous post...
And to Eddi´s ...

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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by Eddi » 23 Jan 2011 23:12

jvassie wrote:
michael blunck wrote:
Ameecher wrote:And I refer you again to my previous post...
And to Eddi´s ...

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And to jvassie's...

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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by Comm Cody » 24 Jan 2011 00:51

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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by Ameecher » 24 May 2011 00:39

Update: Version 0.3
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An update for you, inclusion of the earlier DB Regio livery. Should be available from around 1992 in the mint & white livery and then in c.1997 change to traffic red upon replacement.
Also of note is that (un)loading speeds have been sped up as I'm sure that was starting to annoy a few people. Now stands at 30 passengers/tick, should make things flow better.
Available from BaNaNaS as well.

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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by michael blunck » 24 May 2011 07:14

Ameecher wrote: [...] the mint & white livery
The colour is wrong, IMO. Originally, its more a mint-green (RAL 6033), not blueish[*]. I´m using the colour range 60 .. 67 for "mint green". That blueish note reminds more of the DB´s former InterRegio livery.

[*] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turquoise_ ... oise_Green

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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by Ameecher » 24 May 2011 11:37

michael blunck wrote:
Ameecher wrote: [...] the mint & white livery
The colour is wrong, IMO. Originally, its more a mint-green (RAL 6033), not blueish[*]. I´m using the colour range 60 .. 67 for "mint green". That blueish note reminds more of the DB´s former InterRegio livery.

[*] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turquoise_ ... oise_Green

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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by as » 14 Jun 2011 23:20

A small bug:
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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by jvassie » 15 Jun 2011 19:34

Updated. New Versions Attached. Ameecher will need to update the BaNaNaS versions I'm afraid.
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Re: DB Double Deck Coaches

Post by Ameecher » 15 Jun 2011 19:50

New version uploaded to BaNaNaS.
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