Re: Random Transport Chatter
Posted: 09 May 2018 03:38
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-t ... rovements/ , massive project , Plan your route up north very carefully .
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The 385s have been one farce after another, and obviously struggling to see signals properly is quite the issue, especially when you're trying to make out a single yellow vs. a double yellow signal. They're now not expected to enter service until December 2018, a year later than originally planned, and Scotrail are having to lease older trains (Class 365s) to cover for the temporary shortfall, but even these aren't expected to enter service until June, as driver's need to be trained on them. Probably quite an embarrassment for Hitachi, who are generally one of the top manufacturers.Hyronymus wrote:I just saw an item on Scottish news about the curved windscreens for the new class 385: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-43031527. I'm not aware how these issues normally are raised in the press on this side of the North Sea but is this all hot air?
I'm just happy the ole' Happy Trains (365s) are finding a new home so soon, as their future was for a short while undertermined, and may have at least in part made an early retirement to the scrap heap. Which is a shame, they're nice trains, even if our dear Geo has drove them all to within an inch of their respective lives .Pilot wrote:and Scotrail are having to lease older trains (Class 365s) to cover for the temporary shortfall, but even these aren't expected to enter service until June, as driver's need to be trained on them. Probably quite an embarrassment for Hitachi, who are generally one of the top manufacturers.
Given that the window pane is almost never perpendicular to the line of sight, it might be true. Imagine looking to a light source from a fishbowl perhaps.Hyronymus wrote:But to get back to the news article: Scotrail tried to point out that these things happen during testing while Afsem claimed it to be an outrage. Is the truth somewhere in between both opinions?
As much as Scotrail probably wish that they had that excuse, these sets are mostly being built in the UK itself, with some built over in Japan too The Italian's are just building our Class 802s instead; god help us!Hyronymus wrote:Hitachi took over AnsaldoBreda ... Can it be that the Italians are taking over Hitachi quality systems
Well, normally trains are tested at somewhere like Old Dalby, or Velim in the Czech Republic; actual test tracks that aren't mainline. As far as I know, the majority of the 385s testing has been done in the UK out on the mainline, so therefore problems are likely far more publicised. There are also some software issues that have come to light since too.Hyronymus wrote:Scotrail tried to point out that these things happen during testing while Afsem claimed it to be an outrage. Is the truth somewhere in between both opinions?
That could soon be their future yet. Scotrail are only temporarily leasing them to make up for the shortfall in stock as it stands. Of course, if the 385 program becomes a complete failure (which I doubt), then maybe the 365s will have a reprieve, but there isn't enough of them!Redirect Left wrote:I'm just happy the ole' Happy Trains (365s) are finding a new home so soon, as their future was for a short while undertermined, and may have at least in part made an early retirement to the scrap heap.
Redirect Left wrote:even if our dear Geo has drove them all to within an inch of their respective lives .
I wouldn't mind seeing some 365s operate in the Yorkshire area, although unfortunately i doubt there is any real need for them.
Clearly built for the south then. Also means they might not handle some North routes. Shame, it'd be sad to see them scrapped so young (compared to a lot of other fleets in use). Hopefully after Scotrail are done, they'll be cascaded again - although it seems franchise agreements are all pushing for new stock rather than cascaded where possible.Geo Ghost wrote: They have their flaws, but overall they are brilliant work-horses. However they won't be able to stay on Scotrail after Autumn. They aren't too great when it comes to heavy snow fall sadly.
We'll (Northern) take them, the 321/322s are s***!Redirect Left wrote:Clearly built for the south then. Also means they might not handle some North routes. Shame, it'd be sad to see them scrapped so young (compared to a lot of other fleets in use). Hopefully after Scotrail are done, they'll be cascaded again - although it seems franchise agreements are all pushing for new stock rather than cascaded where possible.Geo Ghost wrote: They have their flaws, but overall they are brilliant work-horses. However they won't be able to stay on Scotrail after Autumn. They aren't too great when it comes to heavy snow fall sadly.
As far as I know, the 321/322s go off lease soon anyway. Although as I live in Wakefield, they're one of the most common trains I see and use (WKF, between LDS & DON route). I don't find them too bad, other than 3+2 seating - but i think most modernish shorter distance commuter trains have them now.Badger wrote: We'll (Northern) take them, the 321/322s are s***!
They fail really quite often.Redirect Left wrote:As far as I know, the 321/322s go off lease soon anyway. Although as I live in Wakefield, they're one of the most common trains I see and use (WKF, between LDS & DON route). I don't find them too bad, other than 3+2 seating - but i think most modernish shorter distance commuter trains have them now.Badger wrote: We'll (Northern) take them, the 321/322s are s***!
I'll have them! 321s were lovely to drive (if you weren't trying to get anywhere fast or go up hill..) and had far more comfortable to travel on than the new stock.Badger wrote:We'll (Northern) take them, the 321/322s are s***!
But what about your shiny new trains that are coming to replace the 321/322s? Surely you'd much rather have those!Badger wrote:We'll (Northern) take them, the 321/322s are s***!
Northern use them in Yorkshire. Lot's of hills there, so they're buggered!Geo Ghost wrote:321s were lovely to drive (if you weren't trying to get anywhere fast or go up hill..)
Ah yes.. not the best for that. Doesn't help that someone thought it was a good idea to put all the motors and heaviest equipment in a single coach down the middle Made acceleration raaather slow.Pilot wrote:Northern use them in Yorkshire. Lot's of hills there, so they're buggered!
Once they've got past that one inevitable major fleet-stopping failure, yes.Pilot wrote:But what about your shiny new trains that are coming to replace the 321/322s? Surely you'd much rather have those!Badger wrote:We'll (Northern) take them, the 321/322s are s***!