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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 2:11 am 
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What is RIS?
Recycled Infrastructure Set is a road and tram track set for non-NRT/RATT OpenTTD installations, based heavily on the American Road Replacement Set (thanks, Andrew350!) and Foobar's Tram Tracks (thanks, Foobar!).

Why make a roadset for vanilla OpenTTD?!
Because I want nice-looking roads that are compatible with JGR's Patch Pack. Instead of focusing on a region, RIS has the goal of not having graphical glitches like the issue of tram tracks that have a thin stripe of green when leaving the road with default tram tracks or which have roads peeking out from under them like all custom roadsets when used with Foobar's Tram Tracks.

What happened to the futuristic roads?
I've decided to limit RIS to tram tracks with wider grass, to enable compatibility with my favored NewGRF Combination; NARoads and the ARRS version of Total Bridge Renewal Set. The futuristic roads might be added in the future once NRT/RATT is part of JGR's Patch Pack.

Source code?
Right here. RIS is licensed as GPL v2.

NewGRF?
A beta version is right here, but use at your own risk and please point out any bugs you find in this topic.


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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 3:18 am 
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Try this.
The road and tram track tiles are overlays. The groundtile is not replaced. It is overlayed by the road or tram track sprite. Replace the grass part of Andrew's and Foobar's sprites with transparent blue. This has the added advantage in that you will not need an alternate set of sprites for other climates.

I don't know how it would resolve the road to off-road transition though. This could be a player issue in that the player would have to build the road with a stub for the turn out.

I hope this works.

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:56 am 
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wallyweb wrote:
Try this.
The road and tram track tiles are overlays. The groundtile is not replaced. It is overlayed by the road or tram track sprite. Replace the grass part of Andrew's and Foobar's sprites with transparent blue. This has the added advantage in that you will not need an alternate set of sprites for other climates.

I don't know how it would resolve the road to off-road transition though. This could be a player issue in that the player would have to build the road with a stub for the turn out.

I hope this works.


I suppose that using OpenGFX grass beneath the tracks but not taking up the whole tile will be a suitable compromise. Thanks!

EDIT: Previews below!

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 10:45 am 
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SimYouLater wrote:
I suppose that using OpenGFX grass beneath the tracks but not taking up the whole tile will be a suitable compromise.
If "one has a TTD Windows CD", one could always select the original-windows base set option. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 6:17 pm 
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wallyweb wrote:
Try this.
The road and tram track tiles are overlays. The groundtile is not replaced. It is overlayed by the road or tram track sprite. Replace the grass part of Andrew's and Foobar's sprites with transparent blue. This has the added advantage in that you will not need an alternate set of sprites for other climates.


Not exactly. It sounds like SimYouLater is trying to do road graphics "the old way", i.e. not using NRT, in which case the above isn't true.

If these graphics are indeed meant to just replace the baseset sprites then they will need to include the full tile, otherwise you will end up with weird graphical artifacts in the gaps. One possible option for this would be to modify the OpenGFX sprites to blend in a little better to the TTD landscape. It wouldn't be perfect, but with a little work you could probably get a decent looking result, and it would avoid having to include any sprites that might violate copyrights :)

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 6:38 pm 
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Andrew350 wrote:
wallyweb wrote:
Try this.
The road and tram track tiles are overlays. The groundtile is not replaced. It is overlayed by the road or tram track sprite. Replace the grass part of Andrew's and Foobar's sprites with transparent blue. This has the added advantage in that you will not need an alternate set of sprites for other climates.


Not exactly. It sounds like SimYouLater is trying to do road graphics "the old way", i.e. not using NRT, in which case the above isn't true.

If these graphics are indeed meant to just replace the baseset sprites then they will need to include the full tile, otherwise you will end up with weird graphical artifacts in the gaps. One possible option for this would be to modify the OpenGFX sprites to blend in a little better to the TTD landscape. It wouldn't be perfect, but with a little work you could probably get a decent looking result, and it would avoid having to include any sprites that might violate copyrights :)


In fact, there can't be old without new, and there's no such thing as "new way" in NRT...
Everyone is coming up and say "This, is a revolution". It is, but NRT is not stable yet and will not until a few months, or even a year. Until those days we must do it this way. Why ? Because JGR, Spring 2013 etc, and simply no other patchpack, don't support NRT yet.

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 7:11 pm 
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acs121 wrote:
Andrew350 wrote:
wallyweb wrote:
Try this.
The road and tram track tiles are overlays. The groundtile is not replaced. It is overlayed by the road or tram track sprite. Replace the grass part of Andrew's and Foobar's sprites with transparent blue. This has the added advantage in that you will not need an alternate set of sprites for other climates.


Not exactly. It sounds like SimYouLater is trying to do road graphics "the old way", i.e. not using NRT, in which case the above isn't true.

If these graphics are indeed meant to just replace the baseset sprites then they will need to include the full tile, otherwise you will end up with weird graphical artifacts in the gaps. One possible option for this would be to modify the OpenGFX sprites to blend in a little better to the TTD landscape. It wouldn't be perfect, but with a little work you could probably get a decent looking result, and it would avoid having to include any sprites that might violate copyrights :)


In fact, there can't be old without new, and there's no such thing as "new way" in NRT...
Everyone is coming up and say "This, is a revolution". It is, but NRT is not stable yet and will not until a few months, or even a year. Until those days we must do it this way. Why ? Because JGR, Spring 2013 etc, and simply no other patchpack, don't support NRT yet.


Well that's just perfect. How do you expect me to create a road and tram set that blends in? Why was Zimmlock allowed to use TTD graphics in TTRS?

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SimYouLater wrote:
Well that's just perfect. How do you expect me to create a road and tram set that blends in?

Just redraw *all* the terrain sprites you need? :twisted:

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Ok ... I just placed a road tile in OTTD. The sprite aligner showed me the grassy ground tile and the road tile overlaying it. Why would there be a glitch if the grassy part of the road tile were to be made transparent blue and substituted with an Action A? You can see the effect with my tile grids. No need to redraw terrain sprites.

Also, default sprites with a stub for a turn out already exist. Is there a problem if a paved road with a paved turn out stub abuts a dirt road?

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I get this :D


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Alas! I must confess to the error of my ways. :oops:
Indeed there were artifacts.
My apologies to SimYouLater. I should have tested before I sent you down a dead end road.
Hopefully NRT will offer other possibilities and it will arrive in trunk to a rousing cheer from the crowd.

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wallyweb wrote:
Alas! I must confess to the error of my ways. :oops:
Indeed there were artifacts.
My apologies to SimYouLater. I should have tested before I sent you down a dead end road.
Hopefully NRT will offer other possibilities and it will arrive in trunk to a rousing cheer from the crowd.


With no way to fix this issue, I've chosen to instead refocus RIS on having wider grass beneath tram tracks than Foobar's Tram Tracks, so that it can be used with North American Roads and TBRS for ARRS.

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Anyone willing to code these tram tracks, or should I start trying to do the code myself?


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SimYouLater wrote:
Anyone willing to code these tram tracks, or should I start trying to do the code myself?
Give it a go yourself. We have lots of artists but can always use another coder. 8)

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SimYouLater wrote:
wallyweb wrote:
Alas! I must confess to the error of my ways. :oops:
Indeed there were artifacts.
My apologies to SimYouLater. I should have tested before I sent you down a dead end road.
Hopefully NRT will offer other possibilities and it will arrive in trunk to a rousing cheer from the crowd.


With no way to fix this issue, I've chosen to instead refocus RIS on having wider grass beneath tram tracks than Foobar's Tram Tracks, so that it can be used with North American Roads and TBRS for ARRS.

Image


Mind giving up that black ballast on bridge surfaces, and rather give the default concrete bridge surface ? That black ballast really looks ugly though.

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acs121 wrote:
SimYouLater wrote:
wallyweb wrote:
Alas! I must confess to the error of my ways. :oops:
Indeed there were artifacts.
My apologies to SimYouLater. I should have tested before I sent you down a dead end road.
Hopefully NRT will offer other possibilities and it will arrive in trunk to a rousing cheer from the crowd.


With no way to fix this issue, I've chosen to instead refocus RIS on having wider grass beneath tram tracks than Foobar's Tram Tracks, so that it can be used with North American Roads and TBRS for ARRS.

Image


Mind giving up that black ballast on bridge surfaces, and rather give the default concrete bridge surface ? That black ballast really looks ugly though.


Where do I get the sprites for the default concrete?

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SimYouLater wrote:
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Mind giving up that black ballast on bridge surfaces, and rather give the default concrete bridge surface ? That black ballast really looks ugly though.


Where do I get the sprites for the default concrete?
OpenGFX_extras has these:


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wallyweb wrote:
SimYouLater wrote:
acs121 wrote:
Mind giving up that black ballast on bridge surfaces, and rather give the default concrete bridge surface ? That black ballast really looks ugly though.


Where do I get the sprites for the default concrete?
OpenGFX_extras has these:


Thanks. Adding first version to the OP.

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