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Gasly went from hero to zero in one week, Verstappen made 2 completely unnecessary mistakes which have cost him (and Vettel) dearly, but a very interesting race today.
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Indeed. A really boring first half of the race turned mega with Gasly hitting his team mate. Verstappen then claimed the Torpedo moniker as his own. My ratings for the drivers are:
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Well, we are now a couple races into the season. Silly Season is beginning to pick up, so here's a collection of rumours.
Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport:
3. Daniel Ricciardo (link)
31. Esteban Ocon (link)
44. Lewis Hamilton (link)
77. Valtteri Bottas (link)
Scuderia Ferrari:
5. Sebastian Vettel (link)
3. Daniel Ricciardo (link)
7. Kimi Raikkonen (link)
Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
33. Max Verstappen (link)
3. Daniel Ricciardo (link)
55. Carlos Sainz (link)
Sahara Force India F1 Team:
?.
?.
Williams Martini Racing:
?. Robert Kubica (link)
?.
Renault Sport Formula One Team:
55. Carlos Sainz (link)
?.
Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda:
94. Pascal Wehrlein (link)
?. Felix Rosenqvist (link) (Dutch)
Haas F1 Team:
20. Kevin Magnussen (link)
?. Pietro Fittipaldi (link)
McLaren F1 Team:
77. Valtteri Bottas (link)
?. Lando Norris (link)
?. Nyck de Vries (link)
Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team:
?.
?.
Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport:
3. Daniel Ricciardo (link)
31. Esteban Ocon (link)
44. Lewis Hamilton (link)
77. Valtteri Bottas (link)
Scuderia Ferrari:
5. Sebastian Vettel (link)
3. Daniel Ricciardo (link)
7. Kimi Raikkonen (link)
Aston Martin Red Bull Racing:
33. Max Verstappen (link)
3. Daniel Ricciardo (link)
55. Carlos Sainz (link)
Sahara Force India F1 Team:
?.
?.
Williams Martini Racing:
?. Robert Kubica (link)
?.
Renault Sport Formula One Team:
55. Carlos Sainz (link)
?.
Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda:
94. Pascal Wehrlein (link)
?. Felix Rosenqvist (link) (Dutch)
Haas F1 Team:
20. Kevin Magnussen (link)
?. Pietro Fittipaldi (link)
McLaren F1 Team:
77. Valtteri Bottas (link)
?. Lando Norris (link)
?. Nyck de Vries (link)
Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team:
?.
?.
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Have you heard the latest? Ricciardo to Renault alongside Hulkenberg. That's unexpected.
Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport:
44. Lewis Hamilton (link)
77. Valtteri Bottas (link)
Scuderia Ferrari:
5. Sebastian Vettel (link)
7. Kimi Raikkonen (link)
14. Fernando Alonso (link)
16. Charlec Leclerc (link)
Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda:
33. Max Verstappen (link)
55. Carlos Sainz (link)
Renault Sport Formula One Team:
3. Daniel Ricciardo (link)
27. Nico Hulkenberg (link)
Haas F1 Team:
20. Kevin Magnussen (link)
?. Pietro Fittipaldi (link)
?. Robert Kubica (link)
Sahara Force India F1 Team:
18. Lance Stroll (link)
31. Esteban Ocon (link)
?. Nicholas Latifi (link)
McLaren F1 Team:
7. Kimi Raikkonen (link)
14. Fernando Alonso (link)
?. Lando Norris (link)
?. Nyck de Vries (link)
Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda:
94. Pascal Wehrlein (link)
?. Dan Ticktum (link)
?. Felix Rosenqvist (link) (Dutch)
?. Robert Kubica (link)
Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team:
2. Stoffel Vandoorne (link)
7. Kimi Raikkonen (link)
9. Marcus Ericsson (link)
16. Charles Leclerc (link)
?. Antonio Giovinazzi (link)
Williams Martini Racing:
18. Lance Stroll (link)
35. Sergey Sirotkin (link)
?. Oliver Rowland (link)
?. Robert Kubica (link)
Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport:
44. Lewis Hamilton (link)
77. Valtteri Bottas (link)
Scuderia Ferrari:
5. Sebastian Vettel (link)
7. Kimi Raikkonen (link)
14. Fernando Alonso (link)
16. Charlec Leclerc (link)
Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda:
33. Max Verstappen (link)
55. Carlos Sainz (link)
Renault Sport Formula One Team:
3. Daniel Ricciardo (link)
27. Nico Hulkenberg (link)
Haas F1 Team:
20. Kevin Magnussen (link)
?. Pietro Fittipaldi (link)
?. Robert Kubica (link)
Sahara Force India F1 Team:
18. Lance Stroll (link)
31. Esteban Ocon (link)
?. Nicholas Latifi (link)
McLaren F1 Team:
7. Kimi Raikkonen (link)
14. Fernando Alonso (link)
?. Lando Norris (link)
?. Nyck de Vries (link)
Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda:
94. Pascal Wehrlein (link)
?. Dan Ticktum (link)
?. Felix Rosenqvist (link) (Dutch)
?. Robert Kubica (link)
Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team:
2. Stoffel Vandoorne (link)
7. Kimi Raikkonen (link)
9. Marcus Ericsson (link)
16. Charles Leclerc (link)
?. Antonio Giovinazzi (link)
Williams Martini Racing:
18. Lance Stroll (link)
35. Sergey Sirotkin (link)
?. Oliver Rowland (link)
?. Robert Kubica (link)
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Well, I won't say it was expected, but:Chrill wrote:Have you heard the latest? Ricciardo to Renault alongside Hulkenberg. That's unexpected.
a) RB going for Honda and RIC not convinced
b) RB blatantly favoring VER in terms of money and what they say, despite RIC outscoring him
c) Renault the only factory team with a seat available
So, it's a gamble, but not a big one for the next two years, I think.
HUL vs RIC will be nice, I hope. Maybe the best driver lineup on the grid now, thanks to the other teams preferring more imbalanced pairings?
Also, looking at your list - obv. Sainz is a RB junior driver, but he's probably not going to drive alongside VER, as they hate each other. And his contract only is valid for the rest of the season and then only if he goes to RB (not TR). So a move of his to McLaren wouldn't be a surprise (talked about ie here http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... ver-choice ). I think RB is more likely to go for Gasly ... or someone.
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Gasly is my bet too. I'd say Alonso will be angling for a move to Red Bull, but it isn't their style to sign old drivers. It is, however, their style to promote kids too soon. See Kvyat for example.
It would leave a hole at Toro Rosso. Hartley is improving, but is he doing it fast enough to remain? Even if he does, there is no Red Bull junior with enough points to secure licence to race in F1. They'd have to draft someone in from outside the team. Lando Norris in exchange for James Key perhaps.
It would leave a hole at Toro Rosso. Hartley is improving, but is he doing it fast enough to remain? Even if he does, there is no Red Bull junior with enough points to secure licence to race in F1. They'd have to draft someone in from outside the team. Lando Norris in exchange for James Key perhaps.
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Force India got bought by Stroll & Friends, so we can be reasonably sure where a certain L. Stroll is driving next season
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Perhaps as soon as Spa.
This also means I am now very worried about Williams F1. They will lose Martini for 2019, and obviously also Stroll's money. Where else can they secure the funding to continue? I am worried we'll lose them at the end of this season.
This also means I am now very worried about Williams F1. They will lose Martini for 2019, and obviously also Stroll's money. Where else can they secure the funding to continue? I am worried we'll lose them at the end of this season.
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Alonso to retire after the season from F1. He'll probably go after the Triple Crown, so I'd expect him to do Indy500. And he left the door open to return, but who knows - he's 37 now. Not too old certainly, but not getting younger (well, that's such a wise observation ^^).
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Schumacher ended up finally retiring after the 2012 season, at which point he was 43. Mind you, he set the fastest time in qualifying at Monaco that very season. Still had it in him.
So yeah, Alonso could return for 2020 if a seat is available closer to the front of the pack. I doubt it. McLaren drivers have a tendency to take sabbaticals. Hakkinen, Button, and now Alonso have all done it.
So yeah, Alonso could return for 2020 if a seat is available closer to the front of the pack. I doubt it. McLaren drivers have a tendency to take sabbaticals. Hakkinen, Button, and now Alonso have all done it.
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So McLaren continue their Spanish fever, as Fernando Alonso has been replaced with Carlos Sainz.
Well, Sainz does seem to be the only decent option that McLaren could use, although he's frankly been unimpressive against Hulkenberg at Renault this year, so it doesn't seem like he was in particularly high demand.
This also means that Pierre Gasly is pretty much confirmed for the Red Bull seat alongside Verstappen now.
Well, Sainz does seem to be the only decent option that McLaren could use, although he's frankly been unimpressive against Hulkenberg at Renault this year, so it doesn't seem like he was in particularly high demand.
This also means that Pierre Gasly is pretty much confirmed for the Red Bull seat alongside Verstappen now.
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Red Bull has confirmed Pierre Gasly will partner Max Verstappen at the team in 2019. I'll just leave it at that.
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Vandoorne to be replaced by Norris, so McLaren seats are sorted out.
Bad luck for Grosjean as he got DQ't; but this means that every(!) driver this season has scored points.
Good race overall, shame for Ferrari though. I really thought they'd have it covered, but with the way the race was set up with it's super long DRS zones there was no way for Kimi to gain some time on Hamilton. Frankly a bit ridiculous ^^;
Bad luck for Grosjean as he got DQ't; but this means that every(!) driver this season has scored points.
Good race overall, shame for Ferrari though. I really thought they'd have it covered, but with the way the race was set up with it's super long DRS zones there was no way for Kimi to gain some time on Hamilton. Frankly a bit ridiculous ^^;
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Anything happens in Grand Prix racing, and it usually does.
I would have loved if Murry was the commentator this wkend . What a race ,squabbling over places up and down the field. Hats off to Bottas great job this wkend .Lets have another nail biting race at Singapore .
I would have loved if Murry was the commentator this wkend . What a race ,squabbling over places up and down the field. Hats off to Bottas great job this wkend .Lets have another nail biting race at Singapore .
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This race proved three things:
1) Raikkonen lacks killer instinct
2) Hamilton lacks ability to lose
3) Vettel lacks ability to keep cool under pressure
This is why Vettel-Leclerc should be the pairing at Ferrari in 2019, and why Hamilton will win the championship this year despite having perhaps the second best car.
EDIT: And with Norris confirmed alongside Sainz, we have an all-new McLaren lineup for next season together with a bye bye for Vandoorne.
Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport:
44. Lewis Hamilton (link)
77. Valtteri Bottas (link)
Scuderia Ferrari:
5. Sebastian Vettel (link)
7. Kimi Raikkonen (link)
16. Charlec Leclerc (link)
Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda:
33. Max Verstappen (link)
10. Pierre Gasly (link)
Renault Sport Formula One Team:
3. Daniel Ricciardo (link)
27. Nico Hulkenberg (link)
Haas F1 Team:
20. Kevin Magnussen (link)
?. Pietro Fittipaldi (link)
?. Robert Kubica (link)
McLaren F1 Team:
55. Carlos Sainz (link)
?. Lando Norris (link)
Racing Point Force India F1 Team:
11. Sergio Perez (link)
18. Lance Stroll (link)
31. Esteban Ocon (link)
?. Nicholas Latifi (link)
Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda:
25. Jean-Eric Vergne (link)
26. Daniil Kvyat (link)
94. Pascal Wehrlein (link)
?. Alexander Albon (link)
?. Antonio Giovinazzi (link)
?. Dan Ticktum (link)
?. Robert Kubica (link)
Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team:
7. Kimi Raikkonen (link)
9. Marcus Ericsson (link)
16. Charles Leclerc (link)
?. Antonio Giovinazzi (link)
2. Stoffel Vandoorne (link)
Williams Martini Racing:
18. Lance Stroll (link)
35. Sergey Sirotkin (link)
?. Artem Markelov (link)
?. Nikita Mazepin (link)
?. Oliver Rowland (link)
?. Robert Kubica (link)
1) Raikkonen lacks killer instinct
2) Hamilton lacks ability to lose
3) Vettel lacks ability to keep cool under pressure
This is why Vettel-Leclerc should be the pairing at Ferrari in 2019, and why Hamilton will win the championship this year despite having perhaps the second best car.
EDIT: And with Norris confirmed alongside Sainz, we have an all-new McLaren lineup for next season together with a bye bye for Vandoorne.
Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport:
44. Lewis Hamilton (link)
77. Valtteri Bottas (link)
Scuderia Ferrari:
5. Sebastian Vettel (link)
7. Kimi Raikkonen (link)
16. Charlec Leclerc (link)
Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda:
33. Max Verstappen (link)
10. Pierre Gasly (link)
Renault Sport Formula One Team:
3. Daniel Ricciardo (link)
27. Nico Hulkenberg (link)
Haas F1 Team:
20. Kevin Magnussen (link)
?. Pietro Fittipaldi (link)
?. Robert Kubica (link)
McLaren F1 Team:
55. Carlos Sainz (link)
?. Lando Norris (link)
Racing Point Force India F1 Team:
11. Sergio Perez (link)
18. Lance Stroll (link)
31. Esteban Ocon (link)
?. Nicholas Latifi (link)
Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda:
25. Jean-Eric Vergne (link)
26. Daniil Kvyat (link)
94. Pascal Wehrlein (link)
?. Alexander Albon (link)
?. Antonio Giovinazzi (link)
?. Dan Ticktum (link)
?. Robert Kubica (link)
Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team:
7. Kimi Raikkonen (link)
9. Marcus Ericsson (link)
16. Charles Leclerc (link)
?. Antonio Giovinazzi (link)
2. Stoffel Vandoorne (link)
Williams Martini Racing:
18. Lance Stroll (link)
35. Sergey Sirotkin (link)
?. Artem Markelov (link)
?. Nikita Mazepin (link)
?. Oliver Rowland (link)
?. Robert Kubica (link)
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For some reason, Kimi to Sauber feels like an April Fools Day joke, but it's been confirmed, with Leclerc taking his seat at Ferrari.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/45477134
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/45477134
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Quite. The old switcheroo. Kimi returns to his maiden F1 team, Leclerc takes his spot at Ferrari.
I'm Swedish, I want Ericsson in F1 and I want him at Sauber, but honestly a Kimi-Giovinazzi pairing seems sexier than Kimi-Marcus.
I'm Swedish, I want Ericsson in F1 and I want him at Sauber, but honestly a Kimi-Giovinazzi pairing seems sexier than Kimi-Marcus.
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There's some speculation that Kimi bought or gets some Sauber stocks, so him going back to them makes a little more sense; if he later plans on doing something within their management or something ... maybe?
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While those rumours are out and about, and have been for a while, I'm puzzled by why he'd be interested in that. After leaving F1, I'd picture Kimi getting himself a drive in rallycross or something else less... grand. Rallycross is a great dirty little sport and I have no doubt Kimi would be great at it. Running or at least part-owning an F1 team, however. I mean, perhaps he's into helping young talent find a path into F1, but then why would he take a drivers seat for 2 years? He'll be 41 at the end of the 2020 season, which will inevitably keep someone like Giovinazzi or the next Ferrari kid out of F1.
Then again, he did run Double R Racing in the mid-2000s. They raced in, among other series, the British F3 championship. Drivers include Valtteri Bottas, Bruno Senna, Marcus Ericsson, and more recently Antonio Giovinazzi and Roberto Merhi. Today, they run Swedish driver Linus Lundqvist who is domating the British F3 this season, but I think Kimi is no longer part of that team.
I mean, there's a lot of Sauber ties already. Ericsson, Giovinazzi, Raikkonen. I wouldn't mind replacing Ericsson with Linus Lunqvist in 2-3 years, although admittedly Giovinazzi should be the one replacing Ericsson as soon as 2019.
Then again, he did run Double R Racing in the mid-2000s. They raced in, among other series, the British F3 championship. Drivers include Valtteri Bottas, Bruno Senna, Marcus Ericsson, and more recently Antonio Giovinazzi and Roberto Merhi. Today, they run Swedish driver Linus Lundqvist who is domating the British F3 this season, but I think Kimi is no longer part of that team.
I mean, there's a lot of Sauber ties already. Ericsson, Giovinazzi, Raikkonen. I wouldn't mind replacing Ericsson with Linus Lunqvist in 2-3 years, although admittedly Giovinazzi should be the one replacing Ericsson as soon as 2019.
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I mean, yay for the Schumacher name living on (and most likely moving to Formula 2 in 2019) but this does look shady, does it not? I mean, that is an immense upturn in form.
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