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Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 13 Aug 2010 23:39
by aantono
When trying to clone the repository, getting an error:
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git clone git://git.qmsk.net/openttd
Initialized empty Git repository in /Users/aantonov/openttd-src/openttd/.git/
fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 14 Aug 2010 03:52
by Eddi
SpComb wrote:
Currently, I'm not exactly sure what time interval is used for shrinking the towns, but there's some mechanism going awry when the town growth happens too rarely.
Needs more investigation.
It's most likely in the TileLoop for houses, where there is a chance to close down the house. This is run every 256 ticks, so it probably stays constant with daylength.
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 15 Aug 2010 21:19
by SpComb
Should do, yes - that's the right branch. I just need to start pushing updates for every release.
aantono wrote:Code: Select all
git clone git://git.qmsk.net/openttd
Initialized empty Git repository in /Users/aantonov/openttd-src/openttd/.git/
fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Fixed, forgot to mark it for export.
Eddi wrote:It's most likely in the TileLoop for houses, where there is a chance to close down the house. This is run every 256 ticks, so it probably stays constant with daylength.
I did have a quick look, but I couldn't spot it there, so I guess it happens via NewHouseTileLoop. Which would explain why the balance gets skewed, and might be hard to fix
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I'll upload a windows build once I update with cargodist again, just busy doing some playtesting...
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 01 Sep 2010 11:40
by Dwight_K._Schrute
Hey everybody,
I really think this is the best version of all!!! But unfortunately one tiny thing is missing:
In big cities my trains always stay forever in the station (maybe 30 days) because it waits for several passengers that are trickling in continously. So my trains are running late necessarily.
I saw in the trunk it is already implemented...
http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/rev/6ea28b62f3ff
So I hope here will be a new version soon... because I can't play without cargodist / sprinkles ...
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 06 Nov 2010 17:06
by 7even
SpComb wrote:
Should do, yes - that's the right branch. I just need to start pushing updates for every release.
Hi, can someone help me with that "do a git pop" thing?
I only worked with subversion until now and tried to do the same thing with this url now, just with git command. But this does not work - it tells me stuff like that:
Any hints?
Otherwise I will take the patch file, but an already patched checkout would be much more comfortable..
//Edit:
Ah and I forgot - I tried to "git clone" as well and this downloaded something ... but in the end nothing was there (I think only the ".git" directory was created and I don't know what to do with that)
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 11 Nov 2010 18:01
by enykie
i've got strange behavor. When i transport passangers out of a city it shrinks ?
build: openttd-cargodist-sprinkles-r19964M-win32.zip
daylenght faktor: 17
any ideas?
Cheers Michi
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 11 Nov 2010 18:16
by Eddi
yes, high daylength factors have been reported to shrink cities. i don't know if any of the currently available patches have adressed this issue.
i wrote a few posts above that the cause likely in the tile loop for houses, where a chance for house closure is not adapted to daylength.
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 11 Nov 2010 19:34
by Nickel_Plate
Playing Chill's patch-pack r21051_v10.7 towns are stilling shrinking with a daylenght of 40.
In 5 years city shrink from over 5,500 to under 300
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 11 Nov 2010 19:37
by Kogut
Eddi wrote:yes, high daylength factors have been reported to shrink cities. i don't know if any of the currently available patches have adressed this issue
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 11 Nov 2010 21:54
by enykie
hmm ok thanks for this info!
perhaps this is the cause why pavels daylength patch only goes up to faktor 10 ?
Whats the highets which should be used?
edit: even with daylength: 4 my citties begin to shrink!
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 06:12
by Cadde
enykie wrote:hmm ok thanks for this info!
perhaps this is the cause why pavels daylength patch only goes up to faktor 10 ?
Whats the highets which should be used?
edit: even with daylength: 4 my citties begin to shrink!
Came here looking for some way of keeping income levels... well, level. But saw this and i can't say i noticed that. With daylength at 10 i could grow a city from 400 population to 20,000 in 2 years. After that it gets a little bit more complicated because there seems to be a slowdown effect after that.
What i do is build a 3x3 perfect grid and buff the city with a few bus stops. Started with 3 stops, now have 6 stops and a subway in the center. Problem now is running cargodist and cargo generation factor -1 is that the cities produce so much passengers i have 26 Mat'36 (16 length) passenger trains packed on a 400 length piece of track (Each train taking 832 passengers) and still cannot satisfy the city links.
Cargodist has gone mad and want to send 10,000 passengers per month PER CITY. Both internally and externally!
So anyways, to my original purpose of posting. Is it hard to make the daylength patch also reduce the cargo payment rates?
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 07:50
by Eddi
you know, in a city with 20,000 inhabitants, 20,000 people want to go to work and back EVERY DAY.
which values should be affected by daylength and which not is an ongoing problem, and the main reason why no daylength patch has ever reached trunk quality.
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 08:27
by Cadde
Eddi wrote:you know, in a city with 20,000 inhabitants, 20,000 people want to go to work and back EVERY DAY.
which values should be affected by daylength and which not is an ongoing problem, and the main reason why no daylength patch has ever reached trunk quality.
I've just found that "another daylength" patch that claims to deal with economy balance.
And about the 20,000 inhabitants... Not all of them want to get to work at the very same train
Where i live, 190,000 people (actual part of population working, not counting kids going to school) take trams that can hold 80 passengers each that in the central hub come and go every minute IRL.
In my game it expects me to take thousands of passengers every IRL minute. We have already established time and time again that reality != OTTD. Hence why a city block (one unit) in standard settings can be said to be 628x628 km²!
When graphically it represents something along the lines of 20x20 meters. So at Daylength set to 1 you wouldn't even be able to see the trains zip across the screen if the game was actually to scale. And the problem is that everything has to scale with the game in one way or another. Hence why daylength is needed and with that also comes balancing changes to economy since it's based on ticks, not days.
And so does the amount of passengers produced out of towns, but we already have a solution for that with the town production setting.
I like building super sized cities but i wanna have enough time and space to handle the amount of passengers. There's no point in making a 64 tile long station in one city and then have the train travel the 273 tiles to the other 64 tile station. That's not what's fun in OTTD...
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 10 Dec 2010 08:54
by pecX
hi!
i did never patch or compile anything and now i´ve downloaded "openttd-cargodist-sprinkles-r19964M-win32.zip".
After unpacking i click the opentt.exe but i get the message "failed to select requested sounds set OPENSFX".
Can you help me solving this problem?
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 10 Dec 2010 20:47
by oberhümer
Download
OpenSFX and put it in your data folder?
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 10 Dec 2010 20:50
by Yexo
Most likely you have opensfx in C:/Program Files/OpenTTD/data/opensfx.tar
Move that file to My Documents/OpenTTD/data/ and it should work for all new versions.
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 14 May 2011 11:55
by Dr. B. Ching
Hello SpComb,
one of your patches, Town Cargo Factor, convinced me to try compiling my own version of OpenTTD yesterday. So far I got a running binary of the Cargodist source up and running, but neither patch appears to integrate. Hopefully it doesn't sound too newbish, but I really don't have previous experience in this field.
Config:
MinGW 2011-03-16
Cargodist gd90184e3 (ok)
signaltunnel_V2.02_r20363.patch (ok)
town-cargo-factor-01-cargodist resp. -noslv.patch (fail)
Error messages:
Kind Regards,
The Axe
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 14 May 2011 12:02
by Terkhen
Check the errors you are getting, specially the one about the wrong -p option. Git/hg patches require -p1, and svn patches require -p0.
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 14 May 2011 12:29
by Dr. B. Ching
Yes, but with the -p0 option MinGW prompts me to specify the files manually and the modifications to settings_type.h and town_cmd.cpp still fail. Table/settings.h isn't in the Cargodist source archive (but 1.1.0), only settings.h.preamble and -postamble plus a number of individual xx_settings.ini files.
Edit: Never mind, I've found a solution.
Kind Regards,
The Axe
Re: [Patch] Daylength, Cargodist with sprinkles
Posted: 14 May 2011 23:28
by Eddi
settings.h is now an autogenerated file, you need to adapt the patch for that, i.e. move the changes to the .ini fille format