At what angle do solar rays fall in TTD?

onodera · Post by **onodera** » 03 Apr 2005 11:35

Look at this building. As you can see, the left wing is shaded by the central part of the house. The question is: how much of the wing should be left not shaded?

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 03 Apr 2005 11:38

Good question. I don't know if there's a TT standard for that, but maybe some graphics artist (like Zimmlock) has some standard he uses.

onodera · Post by **onodera** » 03 Apr 2005 13:06

Well, I've looked at Zimmlocks set and found out that he uses a non-linear shadow that is something like 'n=2; 1 left, n down, n+=1'. I think I'll stick to my '1 left, 2 down' scheme.

SuperTycoon · Post by **SuperTycoon** » 03 Apr 2005 13:33

Either way that's a damn good drawing! well done

what set(s) can we be expecting to see that in?
EDIT: If thats a 1x2 tile building then the scal is a bit off, I think it needs to be enlarged to 2x4 at least

onodera · Post by **onodera** » 03 Apr 2005 14:51

SuperTycoon wrote:Either way that's a damn good drawing! well done ;) what set(s) can we be expecting to see that in?
EDIT: If thats a 1x2 tile building then the scal is a bit off, I think it needs to be enlarged to 2x4 at least

Thanks ^^'
Well, perhaps I'll send this to George for his xUSSR set (the scale there is non-standard as well), or will code this and some upcoming ones as a separate set.
And about the size... I'm not sure if the game allows to use sprites bigger than 2x2.

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 04 Apr 2005 01:24

Yes the scale is badly off, but I don't think the game allows buildings bigger than 4x4. There's another nearby thread asking this question.

onodera · Post by **onodera** » 04 Apr 2005 15:33

krtaylor wrote:There's another nearby thread asking this question.

That thread nearby was mine :)
I tried to redraw the building to match other TTD houses, but it turned out ugly. And anyway, if I draw all my buildings like this, they won't look out of scale =]

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 04 Apr 2005 16:36

And they'd go with the smaller Russian trains too... You're changing the scale of the whole game, is what.

Sanchimaru · Post by **Sanchimaru** » 04 Apr 2005 16:46

onodera, one advice: try making that building 2x2, that way the large building and the soccer field should fit in well. It will be a small soccer field, though. What is that supposed to be? a college? The building looks more like a hotel or a residential building, but in that case a swimming pool or a tennis court would fit best in the size and be more recognizable

and sorry to go offtopic, but: lately I'm hearing too much about those -out of TTD scale- russian trains, but I have no idea what is that about... I think I never saw them before.

There are no recent posts about it... who works on that? is that on the forums?

Also, I remember you first said that the russian trains would be bigger (talking about the toyland>lego set trains being too big) but now you say they will be smaller?
As a graphics artist I must say that TTD scale is already small enough, if you make any smaller trains you will have the "Pixels set"

onodera · Post by **onodera** » 04 Apr 2005 17:17

Sanchimaru wrote:onodera, one advice: try making that building 2x2, that way the large building and the soccer field should fit in well. It will be a small soccer field, though. What is that supposed to be? a college? The building looks more like a hotel or a residential building, but in that case a swimming pool or a tennis court would fit best in the size and be more recognizable

It's a residential building, and the field is for mini-football.
Unfortunately, if I make the building 2x2, it will be really hard for the game to place it.

Sanchimaru wrote:and sorry to go offtopic, but: lately I'm hearing too much about those -out of TTD scale- russian trains, but I have no idea what is that about... I think I never saw them before.

There are no recent posts about it... who works on that? is that on the forums?

The xUSSR set is being developed by George and AgRiG on ttdrussia.net. George is not going to create a development thread here until there will be at least one developer who doesn't speak Russian.
The pre-pre-pre-pre alpha version can be found here:
http://ttd.cernun.net/temp/xUSSR/xUSSRs ... jectsw.rar (grass, rails, etc.)
http://ttd.cernun.net/temp/xUSSR/xUSSRtrainsw.rar (trains, glitchy, start in 1980)

Sanchimaru wrote:Also, I remember you first said that the russian trains would be bigger (talking about the toyland>lego set trains being too big) but now you say they will be smaller?
As a graphics artist I must say that TTD scale is already small enough, if you make any smaller trains you will have the "Pixels set"

Well, I don't remember ever posting in Toyland>Legoland thread, but the trains are going to be longer than usual. [NB: I'm strongly against that, as they look ugly as hell at the bends, but it's George's set, and he likes long stuff] And they will be thinner as well. And to create an impression of a larger map ('cause Russia is big) smaller houses may be used.

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 04 Apr 2005 18:50

Let me explain the Russian trains. I've only seen one screenshot of them. They are both larger, and smaller, than normal TTD trains. This is because they are in realistic proportions. Compared to real trains, TTD trains are very short and stubby. IRL, proportionately, the passenger cars should be the same height and width, but twice as long. This is how the Russian trains work, I believe, although they may also be slightly narrower than normal to make the proportions even more accurate. My point with the Lego trains was that you can have an extra-long (bigger) vehicle and it does work. My point here, with the apartment building, is that the people that would be in the Russian trains are smaller than regular TTD people, so it's OK for the building to be scaled smaller.

onodera · Post by **onodera** » 04 Apr 2005 20:18

krtaylor wrote:the people that would be in the Russian trains are smaller than regular TTD people, so it's OK for the building to be scaled smaller.

Fear ze nation of snow midgets! (just when is it going to thaw?)

Villem · Post by **Villem** » 04 Apr 2005 20:22

krtaylor wrote:Let me explain the Russian trains. I've only seen one screenshot of them. They are both larger, and smaller, than normal TTD trains. This is because they are in realistic proportions. Compared to real trains, TTD trains are very short and stubby. IRL, proportionately, the passenger cars should be the same height and width, but twice as long. This is how the Russian trains work, I believe, although they may also be slightly narrower than normal to make the proportions even more accurate. My point with the Lego trains was that you can have an extra-long (bigger) vehicle and it does work. My point here, with the apartment building, is that the people that would be in the Russian trains are smaller than regular TTD people, so it's OK for the building to be scaled smaller.

I don't know, is regular height of 160-190 cm for people short to you?
Just cause Finnish, or Russian rail cars look short compared to American ones, this doesn't mean the average height of people is lower to.

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 04 Apr 2005 20:30

I don't mean Russians are midgets, I just mean that, as drawn and shown in the game, they would proportionately be smaller.

George · Post by **George** » 04 Apr 2005 22:21

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 04 Apr 2005 22:47

I have to say, the game will look totally different than anything else ever in TTD, but it will be very sharp for sure.

Aegir · Post by **Aegir** » 04 Apr 2005 23:44

I say they look great, and as for the corners issue, so what? Every train game I've played has looked worse when trains take a corner. I couldnt care less to be honest.

I like where you are going with it, George.

(Note, the only reason I dont like the scale of your busses is because of how they look in comparison to other trains, if you did both the trains, buildings and busses in the same scale, I wouldnt have a care in the world.)

Szappy · Post by **Szappy** » 05 Apr 2005 08:24

idea

I don't know how you managed to do those long cars, but this idea has been in my mind for a long time:
Make all wagons articulated, consisting 2 parts, so a single wagon will be 1 tile long (as opposed to being half) so it's scale is better, but still not _that_ ugly on the corners.

Sanchimaru · Post by **Sanchimaru** » 05 Apr 2005 08:51

hm! sounds good to me, Szappy.

Actually we had to do something like that in the Japan set earlier: the 500 series shinkansen engines are too long, so much that it was impossible to make them, for the design of the cabine, look ok in one sprite. So the sprites I drew for the 500 series' engine are actually one half of the engine only.

Your idea seems hard to do, it would require serious work for artists, but yet it sounds good. I'd gladly re-addapt all the traincars needed for the Japan set, but in the future, not now.

Villem · Post by **Villem** » 05 Apr 2005 09:48

At first look that looked A LOT like Simutrans..
Though i wonder why are the rails so small?Russia uses the same gauge as Finland wich is something near 1500mm, and its quite wide compared to most countries(heck, those rails would take about 90% of the square in TTD).

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