SerbianRailSet(ECS,PBI,FIRS&TouristSet compatible)&scenario

[Nagyzee]

Sorry, I didn't have time today, but I'll check the rest of the Hungarian locos tomorrow.

I did set up a test game with the previous hotfix though (the one before this). In that version both MAVAG 126 and 51 had max. speed of 59 km/h instead of 60. I know, I know, I'm nitpicking, sorry about that.

Also if you are going for realism, introduction date of the MAVAG 126, 51 and 17 should be around 1918-1920 for a Serbian set. Though I see that MAVAG 126 is the early loco (with its 1899 inclusion), so I understand if you don't change the introduction dates.


Oh, and too bad MAVAG 11s were painted to blue in Serbia, in black they look better.
Also they seem to have quite low reliability.

[Wile E. Coyote]

In that version both MAVAG 126 and 51 had max. speed of 59 km/h instead of 60. I know, I know, I'm nitpicking, sorry about that.

Ah, I know that, it's known issue. It's difference between imperial and metric system, actually you give to vehicles speed in mph, not in km/h, and that causes that speed can't be 60 km/h (could be 59 or 61) because ratio is not number with small number of decimals. For similar reason tractive effort couldn't be exactly like intended in some cases.

Also if you are going for realism, introduction date of the MAVAG 126, 51 and 17 should be around 1918-1920 for a Serbian set. Though I see that MAVAG 126 is the early loco (with its 1899 inclusion), so I understand if you don't change the introduction dates.

I found those data in Serbian railway society site (17 and 51 in 1917 and 126 in 1899), and also in Belgrade rail museum. Certainly I'll double check data. About 126 I found data that it was used in mines only, and it's still used today in mine "Rembas". 51 is in exploatation too (hauling museum train "Romantika"). They attached tender to it (I dont' know from which loco).

Oh, and too bad MAVAG 11s were painted to blue in Serbia, in black they look better.
Also they seem to have quite low reliability.

There were black locos too, but I decided to include blue only, because of Tito's "Blue train", which has big historical role here. If Singaporekid (who drew it) wants to paint it in black as well (altough I haven't seen him for a long time here), it could be included in some of next Hotfixes in black painting too.

[Nagyzee]

I found those data in Serbian railway society site (17 and 51 in 1917 and 126 in 1899), and also in Belgrade rail museum. Certainly I'll double check data. About 126 I found data that it was used in mines only, and it's still used today in mine "Rembas". 51 is in exploatation too (hauling museum train "Romantika"). They attached tender to it (I dont' know from which loco).

My bet would be that 1899 is the date when 126s (IIIq back then) started operating on then Hungarian lines which belong to Serbia since WW1. Like in Vojvodina. Wiki says that the first batch of these locos were manufactured in 1892-1893 but only 25 them, because MÁV was still purchasing the older IIIe type. Then production stopped. The next loco was built in 1896 for the Millenium celebrations. A single one. The loco was in production (again) from 1897 till 1907, this time in great numbers. According to Wiki from then on they were to be found on the Karlovac - Rijeka (Fiume) mountainous main line too and Subotica got a few locos as well to haul the Subotica - Budapest freight trains. I think, this is what the 1899 date stands for. Only MÁV and KsOd ever ordered these locos. To other companies could only get it "second hand". Mostly at the end of WW1. And I'd think that the loco was in line service (on freight trains) in Yugoslavia as well - at least for the first couple of years. Of these locos 68 went to Yugoslavia, 102 to Romania and 65 remained in Hungary.

An important note is that the only remaining loco of this type can be found in Serbia. The ex-MÁV 325,079, later JŽ 126-014 has survived as an industrial steam loco, and is still operational today.


I think the story of the 17 and 51 is roughly the same, too. In 1917 Serbia was under occupation, so probably the occupying Austrian-Hungarian monarchy used its own locos to some extent on Serbian lines as well. (Or they were used in Vojvodina.) The 17 was brand new then anyway. The two prototypes were built in 1915 and the production of the series started in 1916. After the war Romania got 109 of these locos, Yugoslavia 86 and 78 remained in Hungary.



On a completely different note:

I'm playing with your narrow gauge set right now and I'm having lots of fun. My only problem is the very low capacity of freight cars. For ore there is a self-unloading wagon which can transport 25 tonnes (quite a lot), there is also a hopper for ore + grain with 10 t capacity and a rather big tanker wagon. But the boxcar and the flatbed wagons are very tiny. They can only hold 5 t of cargo or 10 crates of goods. I'm servicing a low producing forest (only 64 t per month) with narrow gauge trains and my two six tile long trains are barely enough. They have a capacity of only 60 t. It would be an immense help if there was a freight car with 10 t of capacity for these other types of cargo as well. Historically lots of narrow gauge railways were built for wood transportation but with the Serbian Set currently it's extremely hard to pull it off. It provides an extra challenge, but maybe this is a bit too hard. I wouldn't like to imagine how long trains a forest producing 270 t of wood for example would need.


Today or tomorrow I'll also make the rest of the calculations, I just wanted to play a bit, and spent my free time with that on the weekend.

[Wile E. Coyote]

Well, then it seems that we solved all data for Hungarian locos.

About low capacity of NG wagons: it indeed seems to be a bug. Flatbed and boxcar wagons really have capacity of 10 t. I probably set goods as default cargo, so it has half of that as wood. I'll try to fix it ASAP.

I'm glad you have good time with set! It's not Serbian set only, it's international aswell, there are Hungarian, German, American, Croatian, Russian etc. locos (we purchased locos from all around the world), so everybody can find something for hisself.

EDIT: New Hotfix released 21.07.2008. with corrected capacities for NG Flatbed and Boxcar wagons. Enjoy!

[Wile E. Coyote]

New Hotfix: 29.09.2008.

- improved OTTD compatibility;
- fixed some errors in NG set;
- optimized code;
These changes were done by mart3p. Welcome to team!
- fixed some errors in historical facts.

Enjoy!

[NekoMaster]

Hey, This set is really nice, I really like the fast trains in here and also using the narrow gauge trains for short distance lines between towns.
Anyways, before i use to use this with many other rail sets and it worked fine, but since ive gotten a new PC and I wiped my old PC's HDD for my sister I now no longer have the openttd.cfg

I recently got back into OpenTTD and now im using quite a lot more grfs then b4 (im pushing the limit of grfs here) and now when i use this the Graphics for the Standard Gauge Trains are all messed up and taking on the graphics of other objects like stations and buildings or some of the lesser smaller train graphics of other sets, and of coarse this looks really messed up.

Please Tell me whats on this list that is Causing this Problem

Code: Select all

OpenGFX_-_newLandscape_v0.2.grf = 
OpenGFX_-_newTerrain_v0.4.grf = 
foundw.grf = 
rail-cs-ottd.grf = 
fencew.grf = 
metrotracks.grf = 
City-StnsW.grf = 
indstatrw.grf = 
jpstatsw.grf = 
shipdepotw.grf = 
ae_ruraw.GRF = 
ae_subuw.GRF = 
usstatsw.grf = 
canstnw.grf = 
modernsuburbanw.GRF = 
ttrs3w.GRF = 
tramdpw.grf = 
LongBusesw.grf = 
McTrucksw.grf = 
NavistarTrucksw.grf = 
ScaniaTrucksw.grf = 
SpitzerTrucksw.grf = 
VolvoTrucksw.grf = 
EGRVTS.grf = 
"Generic Trams v0.4.grf" = 
germanrvw.grf = 
2ccdj.grf = 
CanSetw.grf = 
csdsetw.grf = 
danish_transport_setw.grf = 
dbsetw_s.grf = 
"JAP Train Set [w].grf" = 
LG_DBeta_0_5w.GRF = 
NARS2.grf = 0 1 2 4 5 7
nsbsetw.grf = 
spainsetw.grf = 
AI_Swedishw.GRF = 
pb_ukrs.grf = 
ussetw.grf = 
srvtbw_697.grf = 
DutchTramSetW_r20.grf = 
gertramsw.grf = 
hirotram_w_987.grf = 
moderntramset.grf = 
stsw.grf = 
bighq.grf = 
purpletoblackw.grf = 
ECSTownw.grf = 
ECSAgriw.grf = 
ECSBasicw.grf = 
ECSChem2w.grf = 
ECSConstw.grf = 
ECSMachw.grf = 
ECSWoodw.grf = 
usset-ecs-adapter.grf = 
srsngw.grf = 
ngrailsw.grf = 4
srssgw.grf = 

[michael blunck]

Don´t use OTTD´s "multipool feature".

regards
Michael

[Wile E. Coyote]

Neko, thanx for compliments and Michael, thanx for help.

Just to add something which is not connected with error, but it could improve your playing: you can use Long Vehicles V4 instead of

LongBusesw.grf
McTrucksw.grf
NavistarTrucksw.grf
ScaniaTrucksw.grf
SpitzerTrucksw.grf
VolvoTrucksw.grf

[NekoMaster]

Don´t use OTTD´s "multipool feature".

regards
Michael

Whats the multipool feature? is that the option that allows you to use multiple Train Sets, if thats what it does I'd rather keep it on so i can use every other set i have then only have one. I really like to use a lot and i mean A LOT of trains, one set wont cut it

[Ameecher]

Whats the multipool feature? is that the option that allows you to use multiple Train Sets, if thats what it does I'd rather keep it on so i can use every other set i have then only have one. I really like to use a lot and i mean A LOT of trains, one set wont cut it

If that's the case then you can't complain when something doesn't work in one of the sets.

[NekoMaster]

Whats the multipool feature? is that the option that allows you to use multiple Train Sets, if thats what it does I'd rather keep it on so i can use every other set i have then only have one. I really like to use a lot and i mean A LOT of trains, one set wont cut it

If that's the case then you can't complain when something doesn't work in one of the sets.

Well I asked what grfs i had loded where conflicting with the serbian rail set, I did use this b4 with many other sets but this time i have more.

[michael blunck]

Whats the multifood feature? is that the option that allows you to eat multiple dishes, if thats what it does I'd rather keep it on so i can eat every other dishes i have then only have one. I really like to chow down a lot and i mean A LOT of dishes, one dish wont cut it

Yeah, that´s a brave attitude. Here you go:

Bavarian sausages plate
Boeuf à la Bourguignonne
Cheese fondue
Chicken Jambalaya
Coniglio in casseruola nel peperone
Fettuccine with garlic shrimps and pesto
Fish chowder
Lamb Vindaloo
Lapereau de Garenne sauté chasseur
Mousse chaude de truite de rivière au coulis d´écrevisses
Poitrine d´agneau
Risotto alla Milanese
Roasted turkey breast
Wiener Schnitzel

Bon appétit
Michael

[Ameecher]

That sir, is GENIUS!

[Wile E. Coyote]

Michael, you really made my day!

But you forgot (because this is Serbian set topic, you must add some Serbain food to plate):
- proja
- kajmak
- pršuta
- sarma
- ćevapi
and before all of that, as apperitive - rakija (most famous is, o/c, rakija made of plums).

To go back on topic, Neko, you should try to disable one by one set and try to discover which set is incompatible with Serbian set (it should be also useful information for other players using multiple sets OTTD feature).

[michael blunck]

try to disable one by one set and try to discover which set is incompatible with Serbian set [...]

Why don´t you check for that "special feature" of OTTD in the Serbian set and thus avoid any incompatibilities, as it has already been done with the CanSet? I´ll do the same with DBXL v0.9 as long as Peter doesn´t reply in a constructive way to our various proposals.

regards
Michael

[Wile E. Coyote]

Why don´t you check for that "special feature" of OTTD in the Serbian set and thus avoid any incompatibilities, as it has already been done with the CanSet? I´ll do the same with DBXL v0.9 as long as Peter doesn´t reply in a constructive way to our various proposals.

That's alternate idea, and I'll surely consider it. OTOH, if someone wants to play with several sets, I don't want to stay on his/her way. In readme is mentioned incompatibility with other sets:

Serbian rail set is fully compatible (including graphics for all new cargos) with Extended Cargo Scheme, Pikka's Basic Industries (including Brick chain addon), Tourist set and Nuclear chain set. Standard gauge set is probably uncompatible with most rail vehicles sets, because it uses big number of slots. Narrow gauge set is small set, so you can use it with for example US set and DBsetXL, but you will probably lose some of their vehicles. Anyway, place newgrf/srsng(w).grf above other sets in your newgrf(w).cfg. Narrow gauge set is totally compatible with any rail set which uses no maglev vehicle slots.

It should be clear enough, but if someone wants to use several sets, it's his/her own risk.

[wallyweb]

Interset (new English word I just submitted to Oxford) compatibility is intriguing, especially for network play where players compete with each other, each using their own set. However, it is definitely too much to ask a set's authors to test their set with each of the other sets merely to ensure compatibility. The sets are very large and quite sophisticated and there is simply too much code to troubleshoot more than one set at a time. Perhaps rather than adding code to disable a set's availability to OTTD's multipool, a warning note could be added to a set's documentation:

"WARNING - This set's Multipool functionality is not guaranteed and problems arising while this set is being used in multipool will not be supported and questions related to this function will not be responded to. If you believe that there is a problem with this set, then you must verify that all multipool usage has been disabled in your game and then and only then, you must verify that the problem still exists before submitting your question."

Please feel free to copy and paste this statement as you see fit.

[michael blunck]

Interset (new English word I just submitted to Oxford) compatibility is intriguing, especially for network play where players compete with each other, each using their own set. However, it is definitely too much to ask a set's authors to test their set with each of the other sets merely to ensure compatibility. The sets are very large and quite sophisticated and there is simply too much code to troubleshoot more than one set at a time. Perhaps rather than adding code to disable a set's availability to OTTD's multipool, a warning note could be added to a set's documentation [...]

In fact, what we need would be a clean interface for "interset" compatibility. Although, this had been proposed quite a couple of times in the diverse threads, it hasn´t been addressed by the makers of that particular "feature" until now.

regards
Michael

[wallyweb]

In fact, what we need would be a clean interface for "interset" compatibility. Although, this had been proposed quite a couple of times in the diverse threads, it hasn´t been addressed by the makers of that particular "feature" until now.

Agreed, however a set's authors should still remain responsible only for their own set's integrity in a stand-alone environment. Even after multipool has been taken above beta status, the warning should still apply, if only to ensure that the job of troubleshooting is directed to the proper team.

[NekoMaster]

I found what was causing the problem, it was the Serbian Tram Set OpenTTD Remix, it was messing up the sprites for some reason, i guess since the game thinks that Trams and Locos are the same (maybe they are, IDK)

No i can have some fun again!