Dutch Trainset v2.0

[Purno]

Somebody posted this link in the LoMo Dutch Trainset, it might be interesting for us too

http://home.hccnet.nl/jac.klarenbeek/nl ... uigen.html

[Hyronymus]

I used that site for other stuff too. It gives a good overview of when which coaches/engines were in use. And the sideviews are clear, to say the least.

[Szappy]

Hey, guys!

We're still totally with you here. I'm just waiting for some feedback.
Here's the latest bits of information I got:
-I sent the grf to Hyronymus
-He said he sent it to Purno
-He said Purno found errors

OK, but I didn't get any feedback on those errors, I didn't receive any more sprites. Unless I missed something, everything I got is encoded.
We can handle the NSSet with the other projects simultaneously, but not without feedback, or graphics

It seemed to me, the you were the ones who abandoned this project, so we moved on...

As you can see on the JapanSet project, the tool is working quite stable now. In fact there might be a prerelease this week.

Szappy

[Hyronymus]

Miscommunication, I love it .

Before we even start accusing each other I offer a solution to get things sorted:

• - Purno sends Szappy the errors he found. Purno, if any error exists in graphics you made can you provide Szappy with the proper ones then?
  - I will make time tomorrow to thoroughly test the various action 2's broodje and I made for the individual grfs again. Although I didn't find any problems the first time I will put the set to a more 'structured' review this time.

Szappy, the reason why you didn't recieve new graphics is because noone is working on them right now (correct me if I'm wrong Purno but I'm not working on anything myself). Suggest we do offer you new graphics, would it be enough to add a readme.txt with what we want the graphics to do or not to do?

[Szappy]

Szappy, the reason why you didn't recieve new graphics is because noone is working on them right now (correct me if I'm wrong Purno but I'm not working on anything myself).

Well... I might be mistaken, but I think there are more graphics, than the ones you sent me.
I think you sent me all the encoded graphics, but there are non-ecoded ones, if I'm right.

Suggest we do offer you new graphics, would it be enough to add a readme.txt with what we want the graphics to do or not to do?

Yes, that would be perfect. Also a review of the prealpha builds (that will come).
I'd like to add that if you use NS names/abbreviations describe them too. (You remember the NSDDAR=double stock coach misunderstanding?)

[edit] Do you still need a coder, that desperately?

Szappy

[Purno]

Szappy, the reason why you didn't recieve new graphics is because noone is working on them right now (correct me if I'm wrong Purno but I'm not working on anything myself).

Well... I might be mistaken, but I think there are more graphics, than the ones you sent me.
I think you sent me all the encoded graphics, but there are non-ecoded ones, if I'm right.

I agree with this... AFAIK, I made far more graphics than the ones I've seen in the last email... Once I get home I'll try to find some time to test it again an write down all errors, although Hyronymus once received them in his email box IIRC.

I hope I don't have to search for all my graphics because that would be a hell of a job...

[Hyronymus]

I can't imagine I forgot to send that many graphics. I agree there are more but the majority of the 'more' are different liveries for existing trains [/me peeks at the latest Infosheet]. Maybe smart to put a list here. Ccan you tell us which grf's you still miss that should be there, Szappy?

• - ns1200.grf
  - ns1300.grf
  - ns1500.grf
  - ns1600.grf
  - ns2200.grf
  - ns2400.grf
  - ns6400.grf
  - nsAB.grf
  - nsDDAR.grf
  - nsDH1.grf
  - nsDM'90.grf
  - nsiccoach.grf
  - nsicr.grf
  - nskoploper.grf
  - nsmat64.grf
  - nsmat'24.grf
  - nsmDDm.grf
  - nsplanc.grf
  - nspland.grf
  - nsplane.grf
  - nsplanl.grf
  - nsplanu.grf
  - nsplanv.grf
  - nsplanx.grf
  - nsplanY1.grf
  - nsSM'90.grf
  - nsSprinter.grf

[Szappy]

OK, here's what I got, and encoded:

• NS1200
  NS1300
  NS1600
  NS2200
  NMBS1100
  NSAB
  NSDDAR
  NSDH1
  NSDM90
  NSICR
  NSMAT64
  NSMDDM
  NSPLAND
  NSPLANE
  NSSPRINTER

whatever these are

[Hyronymus]

Eek, that's scary. I'll send you the others tomorrow, with a readme and possible errors uncovered in the grf you sent us.

[Purno]

I tested Szappys coding again and here are the results:

NS CityPendel (2 car consist Sprinter):

• Multiple heads automatically placed in wrong direction
• Wrong design year

NS Spriter (3 car consist CityPendel):

• Multiple heads automatically placed in wrong direction
• Wrong design year
• Company colors
• I can't buy the new Sprinter (in new livery) in 2010

NS 1200:

• ok in 1960
• Wrong coaches and wrong sprite in menu in 1990

NS 1300:

• sprite in _ view still mirrored (I mentioned that many times before)
• Wrong coaches in 1990?

NS 2200:

• sprites misplaced

NS 1600:

• sprites misplaced
• old sprites?

SNCB/NMBS 1100:

• still that sprite error in _ view (I mentioned that many times before)
• old sprites?
• sprites misplaced

DH-1 Wadloper Railbus:

• Company colors
• Second railbus automatically placed in wrong direction

NS DD-AR:

• No coaches / No rear end
• Company colors

NS Buffel:

• Sprite misplacement in / view
• Rear lights aren't red

NS Plan E:

• Sprite livery not refreshed in menu

_

That's all I got in the buy train window, I checked every 10 years from 1950 to 2010.

I will do a search for my latest sprites later...

[Purno]

I will do a search for my latest sprites later...

All trains (Apr 01 2004) URL

DD-AR & 1600 (Apr 01 2004) URL

Sprinter, CityPendel, Benelux Cockpint (Apr 02 2004) URL

Updated trains (Apr 04 2004) URL

Update (Apr 06 2004) URL

Blauwe Engel & Koploper (Apr 08 2004) URL

Update (reshadow / backlights) (May 17 2004) URL

Mail vans + 1100, 2200, 6200 (May 19 2004) URL

NL Scenario (May 28 2004) URL

Totally redone CityPendel & Sprinter (Jul 14 2004) URL

Totally redone DD-AR + Mat 24 + Benelux and Intercity coaches (Jul 18 2004) URL

Redone SNCB/NMBS 1100 (Jul 21 2004) URL

Plan W (Aug 17 2004) URL

[Hyronymus]

• - the error with the wrong coaches later in the game isn't a real error IMO but more a not yet defined setting. It should change to the the ICR around 1980 but I never implemented that (or asked Szappy to implement it).
  - the 1300 has never been coded with coaches so I'm not surprised it's 'wrong'
  - old sprites in the nmbs1100 and NS1300 has been mentioned time and again indeed but I only received a corrected ns1300 from you, Purno. I obviously sent the wrong file to Szappy. I never received an updated nmbs1100 however. To shorten the chain I suggest you supply Szappy yourself with the corrected graphics of the ns1300 and nmbs1100.
  - I gave Szappy carte-blanche on what to do with the alignment of trains

The other errors seem to be translation errors to me which should be easy to fix.

Szappy, your GRFmaker looks VERY impressive. I wish I had time to dive into it straight away but I fear that has to wait until the x-mas holiday. But already thanks for sharing it with me.

[Purno]

• - I never received an updated nmbs1100 however. To shorten the chain I suggest you supply Szappy yourself with the corrected graphics of the ns1300 and nmbs1100.

You know I upload all my graphics on these forums, and I did upload the new nbms1100 engine

Well, the links to the graphics are publicity available, like the graphics itself. Szappy should be able to find them now

[Szappy]

OK, we'll try searching, and downloading the proper graphics, and correcting the errors.

As for the GRFMaker, thanks, but it's not really "mine", the main developer is gl2.
He doesn't speak english though, so I present the program on the forum.

[DeletedUser21]

At least this topic isn't dead afterall,

Can someone give a summary about the things that need to be done, that will simply things to prevent miscommunication;)

[Hyronymus]

I sent Szappy a list with new graphics and a readme of what to do with them. I also made a todo-list for the NSset in general:

• - Draw 2 new liveries for the NS 1100 + a version with crash-noses on current livery
  - Draw 2 new liveries for the NS 1300
  - Start work on NS 2600 (Beelen)
  - Draw red livery for NS 6400
  - Start work on remaining steamers
  - Start work on mP
  - Start work on Mat '34 [post-WW2 DE-III, data missing]
  - Start work on Mat '36 [data missing]
  - Start work on DE5 [data missing]
  - Start work on Mat '40 [data missing]
  - Start work on Mat '46
  - Draw single-car version of Plan X [Blauwe Engel] + initial blue livery for both
  - Start work on Mat '54
  - Finish (V)IRM
  - Start work on Lint 41/H
  - NS AB-series
  - Decide about usefulness of ICK coaches
  - Start work on Pec (streamline mail coaches)
  - Decide about usefulness of DDM coaches

Please correct me if I'm wrong somewhere! And...

[lobster]

so there is an alpha coming after all, eh?

[Hyronymus]

Uhm, why you think so? The fact that it's rolling again doesn't necessairily mean we will release an alpha. I believe I said before that we decided to release a possible alpha only to fellow developers. They know what can go wrong, know how to test a set and how to give feedback.

[lobster]

i'm afraid it was wishfull thinking. i didn't mean as in within few timespan, but as that it's on the way, back on track so to say.

[Hyronymus]

Never loose your dreams .