Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

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Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by MarkShot » 02 Apr 2019 11:17

Thanks.

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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by planetmaker » 02 Apr 2019 11:35

MarkShot wrote:Thanks.
Yes.


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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by MarkShot » 03 Apr 2019 12:42

If I am using the zBase, do I need to download specific vehicles and other objects to support the FIRS and ECS economies or will the work with the standard vehicles?

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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by planetmaker » 03 Apr 2019 12:57

MarkShot wrote:If I am using the zBase, do I need to download specific vehicles and other objects to support the FIRS and ECS economies or will the work with the standard vehicles?

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You WILL need vehicle sets which support the cargoes introduced by the sets. Default vehicles, sadly, do not support these.

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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by MarkShot » 03 Apr 2019 13:03

So, I am just looking for four sets for each of FIRS and ECS which are: rail, road, ship, and air?

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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by MarkShot » 03 Apr 2019 13:12

I downloaded as it claims to make everything compatible:

"ECS & FIRS vehicle set"

from the standard game.

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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by eekee » 03 Apr 2019 13:19

Sounds about right, although I haven't used that set myself. I think most vehicle GRFs (sets) support most or all cargos. I like NUTS, myself, it's my kind of crazy. :) It also comes with color-coded tracks, or you can get them separately as PURR.
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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by planetmaker » 03 Apr 2019 13:19

MarkShot wrote:I downloaded as it claims to make everything compatible:

"ECS & FIRS vehicle set"

from the standard game.
Might work, yet that probably is - in my opinion - one of the worst. Use nearly any other complete set and train support will be better for both sets. Usually sets support different cargoes by showing them when loaded etc.

EDIT: My pick would be OpenGFX+ Trains, OpenGFX+ RoadVehicles, Squid At Fish, av9, HEQS, and some choice of NARS, IronHorse, DutchTrains, Japanese, Czech, ussr sets. And maybe additionally egrvts for road vehicles.

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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by MarkShot » 03 Apr 2019 13:24

:(

Might you suggest two complete sets for me? PM (if you feel it is in bad taste like an endorsement)

BTW, my homeland is the USA, but I am currently living in China.

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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by McZapkie » 03 Apr 2019 13:39

MarkShot wrote: BTW, my homeland is the USA, but I am currently living in China.
Grab 2cct in nml then, it cover trains all over the world, and you can cherry-pick for example trains only from Asia+North America. Egrvts for generic road vehicles, WAS for airplanes in national liveries, squid or fish set for ships.

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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by MarkShot » 03 Apr 2019 13:54

I found

2cc TrainsInNML
eGRVTS

But am having trouble finding "WAT" and "squid".

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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by planetmaker » 03 Apr 2019 13:57

it's WAS. (= World Airliner Set.)
And "Squid Ate Fish" (as one name)
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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by MarkShot » 03 Apr 2019 14:44

Thanks. I grabbed everything I needed.

Are these two files still applicable?

ECSext-2.1.tar

FIXES-5.tar

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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by MarkShot » 03 Apr 2019 15:27

Is this ECS configuration correct? I don't things look right in the game.

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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by acs121 » 03 Apr 2019 15:31

MarkShot wrote:So, I am just looking for four sets for each of FIRS and ECS which are: rail, road, ship, and air?

Thanks.
If you want not-too-basic sets, here are the sets I propose.
If you like realistic vehicles, try UKRS and Bob's British Buses + Bob's Random British Vehicles.
If you have nothing against generic vehicles, try Iron Horse 2 and Road Hog.
For ships and aircraft, use Squid ate FISH or redFISH for ships and av8 Aviators Aircraft. They suit all games based on all environments (except Toyland, but that's another story).

Also, Town vector must be placed under the Basic vector.
Another thing : do NOT use the Construction vector. It's outdated and useless, too.

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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by MarkShot » 03 Apr 2019 15:59

No matter what I do. I keep getting this error.

Help, please!
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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by McZapkie » 03 Apr 2019 17:51

I have same error when using JGR patch pack, probably ECS is outdated against current version.

Other industry grf is SPI - it is based on FIRS, but more challenging, need both substrates to be stockpiled, to run production, and some primary industries need passengers for full speed production.
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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by planetmaker » 03 Apr 2019 18:26

McZapkie wrote:I have same error when using JGR patch pack, probably ECS is outdated against current version.
Not outdated. Specs didn't change. OpenTTD became more thorough in catching and complaining about undefined behaviour.

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Re: Are FIRS and ECS both still in use or just FIRS?

Post by MarkShot » 03 Apr 2019 18:51

Are these two files still applicable?

ECSext-2.1.tar

FIXES-5.tar

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