The Nations Game MkII

[Pilot]

So, a new thread for a game that has over 12,000 posts in the old topic. The new topic was suggested by Ark Royal, as the other one was rather large and cluttered.

Rules are the same as previous topic, but here they are again:

LIST OF RULES

1. STARTUP AND GENERAL RULES
   1. One country per person
   2. Size: Countries must initially not be larger than the US (10 mln sq km). Size on earth must be kept smaller than 18 mln sq km and may be vetoed (see Rule 3.1)
   3. Slight terraforming is permitted, but no moving of large landmasses like continents
   4. Technology may be introduced at approximately the appropriate time according to the in-game time rate and year. Development of advanced technology (e.g. nuclear tech, rockets, aircraft carriers etc) must be announced be forever it is completed. Technologies that are too early for the timeframe or implausible may be vetoed (see Rule 3.1)
2. WARS AND SECESSIONS
   1. Wars are to be fought with reasonable forces. Some aspects may be vetoed (see Rule 3.1) if necessary. During armed conflict a player may not report casualties or damages done to the other party, the other party must respond to attacks in a way that is considered realistic.
   2. Nukes may not be overused and must have a blast radius of less than 0.5 miles. Abuse of this rule can be vetoed (see Rule 3.1).
   3. Seceding is permitted, only if the "leader/owner" of a country decides it. The new territory must merge with another country or become a new, separate country administered by someone else.
3. ADMINISTRATIVE RULES
   1. Veto Power: If a player disagrees with another's action, they may veto the action. At least two players are needed for the veto to succeed and the action to be taken back. Moderator's word is supreme to all other players, EXCEPT when the moderator is alone in his/her position. If this is the case, the moderator will be overridden (to prevent abuse).
   2. Rule Changing: After these initial rules are agreed upon, a majority vote is required to change a rule. A game moderator counts as two votes.
   3. Restarting: A 4:1 consensus is required to restart. Game mods count as two votes.
4. GAMEPLAY
   1. Events within Countries: Events within a country may only be reported by the owner of that country, unless an act of war, a large scale disaster (i.e. Tsunami) or pre-agreed by the own of that country (either within thread or via PM)

Current Nations:
Provincias Unidas del Río de la Plata (A321Pilot)
Kingdom of West Africa (Voyager One)
Helghan (Jacko)
United States of America (L.A. Noire Fan)
Federacy of Aegean Kingdoms (FLHerne)
Kingdom of Skyrim (Emperor Jake)
West America (Katve)
Florence Allegience (Opan)
The Aternian Empire (Last_Ninja_Monk)
Chicagoan State (Zakos)
United Nusantara Kingdom (YNM)
Kingdom of Brittonnia (SquireJames)
New Holborn Island (Aycliffe)
Rus Republic (Absolutis)
Tribes of Sambesi (D-CHGU)
The Glorious Peoples Republic of Arstotzka (APDAF)
Kingdom of Samkok (siu238X)

And, Begin!

[Voyager One]

I just wanted to post this when I noticed you've created a new topic.
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Refer to this for sail ships.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sail-plan#Types_of_ships

Thanks, that helps having them all in one place. I know them from memory but it's been annoying not having all pics on one place. Much appreciated!
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@V1/Rijeka: We will take the ones that are the most common.

How many? For what purposes? Smaller schooners aren't really adapt for ocean operations, we recommend brigs, brigandines, barques or larger full-rigged ships.

We have also noticed you need Petroleum, which we produce. Would you be interested in starting a trade agreement?

Yes, we import petroleum. We suggest we open embassies in each other's country and exchange ambassadors, then we can also make trade agreements.
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Cigarette and cigars factory opened in Rijeka!

Using finest imported tobaccos from the Caribbeans and Americas, and with a steady supply of extra-fine cigarette paper, a cigarette manufacture will supply west-European markets with approximately 180-200 tons of tobacco products monthly.
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The Free City of Rijeka has been declared a Fee Port!

Rijeka government has issued a proclamation of Free Naval Trade. Any country wishing to use Rijeka as an import/export port, will be allowed free non-taxed trade trough Rijeka. The only demand we have is an annual fee of 100.000 Rijeka Karantans and employing Rijeka citizens at no less than 75% of required workforce.

/OT/ I forgot, 1 Rijeka Karantan is valued approximately as 0,1 gram of gold. Therefore, 100.000 Karantans are about 10kg of gold.
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Maritimum Societatis Fluminense established!

A new shipping company has been established in Rijeka. Privately owned, this company will perform long range maritime shipping services between Rijeka and west Europe and the Americas. Currently, the company owns 4 barques of 2.500 tons and 2 full-rigged ships of 4.600 tons.

Another 6 full-rigged ships have been ordered in Rijeka's shipyards.

[Pilot]

I just wanted to post this when I noticed you've created a new topic.

For one of very few times, I was the first poster

@V1/Rijeka: We will take the ones that are the most common.

How many? For what purposes? Smaller schooners aren't really adapt for ocean operations, we recommend brigs, brigandines, barques or larger full-rigged ships.

6 for the Navy and patrolling our coasts, so preferably with cannons too, though we can make them!

We have also noticed you need Petroleum, which we produce. Would you be interested in starting a trade agreement?

Yes, we import petroleum. We suggest we open embassies in each other's country and exchange ambassadors, then we can also make trade agreements

Yes, we should open Embassies, our Ambassador shall begin his long journey over shortly, in a specially hired vessel. Expect him in around 2-3 months time.

The Free City of Rijeka has been declared a Fee Port!

We wish to make use of this, and will pay the fee. Though by the 75% workforce being Rijekians (what do you call someone from Rijeka V1, I don't mean to offend) do you mean the workforce at the port or on the ships?

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Should we vote for a Moderator of this Game? Just so we all get to decide, I'll put a poll up if there are candidates and we can vote that way.

[APDAF]

I think the Veto rule needs changing.
We need to allow counter vetoes so that if two people veto and only one (not counting the person being vetoed) counter vetoes then it only counts as one veto to prevent bullying and abuse.

[Jacko]

ok so now we have created another thread...
meh, best get on with it.

@Rijeka - We wish for particularly large-bulk ships, but we don't know much about shipping and so we are going to ask if you could produce the type you think are the best, we will add an extra 1 million Smegs onto the price (1 Karantan = 2 Smegs)

Also maplock

[APDAF]

a typical price for a small ship in 1800 was about £1000.

[Jacko]

a typical price for a small ship in 1800 was about £1000.

We already offered a trade deal.
Besides we are trading with Rijeka not your country.

map unlocked

We have made some expansion, including a new metal plant, and into North Africa to exploit some of their natural resources, and to boost our sand intake for our Primary Glass Works.

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I also added England and I dotted some towns here and there for Ark Royal to tinker with

[Voyager One]

Okidoki, here we go...
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I think the Veto rule needs changing.

One veto and one counter-veto cancel each other. We *could* change the veto rule that a majority of VOTERS is needed for a veto to apply - more "veto" votes than "counter-veto" votes, "neutral" votes obviously don't count.
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Should we vote for a Moderator of this Game?

Naaah. I don't think we'll need one. Fun, not aggravation.
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a typical price for a small ship in 1800 was about £1000.

You're insane! Take a look at the USS Constitution, costed over $300.000 in 1797. OK, we can argue that small coastal ships with no guns costed much less but 1000 is surely to low.
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6 for the Navy and patrolling our coasts, so preferably with cannons too, though we can make them!

We recommend 6 frigates, something in line with this:



Length: 62m
Displacement: 2.200 tons
Crew: cca 400-450 (including riflemen)
Speed: cca 13 knots (~24 km/h)
Guns: 40 x 24-pounder (11kg) long guns, 6 x 24-pounder bow-chaser guns
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Rijekians (what do you call someone from Rijeka V1, I don't mean to offend)

OT speaking, impossible to translate in English - would sound something like "Riechani" pronounced in English. Plus with all the different cases and genders in Croatian - a mess. Let's use "Rijekans" or... ah whatever.
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75% workforce being Rijekians

Not on ships. In transport/shipping/other companies that you'll either establish in Rijeka or hire existing ones.
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We wish for particularly large-bulk ships

Merchant ships? Full-rigged ships are ideal for merchant operations, heavy, can carry a lot, can be decently armed, not extremely fast but decent as well...

Galleons would be an alternative but we don't build those.
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1 million Smegs onto the price (1 Karantan = 2 Smegs)

Semi-OT: Gold price in 1800 was about $20 per ounce. 1kg~35 ounces meaning 1kg of golf is about $700. 1 Karantan is 0,0001kg of gold = 7 cents.

1 Smeg = 0,5 Karantan = 3,5 cents

We've both done our math very badly!

Can I please change that 1 Karantan is like 1 gram of gold not 0,1 gram, I really miscalculated heavily!

[APDAF]

-snip-

The dollar was almost worthless at the time while the pound was not.

[Jacko]

I find the money system confusing.

I just need to make sure no idiots think the platinum we are currently extracting could be used for 'fake coins'

However we are currently trying to improve our metal process, attempting to find a purer or stronger iron-based material. The development continues.

@Rijeka - Merchant ships seem like the most appropriate then, we could spare maybe one for specialised cargo transport across The strait of Gibralatar

[L.A. Noire Fan]

The 13 Colonies of America is formed!

3 Major Industries, Two Steel, One Furniture.
3 Mines, Iron ore, Coal, Gold

Nine Small towns

Capitol: Norfolk, VA

[Pilot]

6 for the Navy and patrolling our coasts, so preferably with cannons too, though we can make them!

We recommend 6 frigates,

Indeed you may, and we wish to take up this offer. How much?

75% workforce being Rijekians

Not on ships. In transport/shipping/other companies that you'll either establish in Rijeka or hire existing ones.

Okay, We'll just ship in and let your lot do the offloading. Speaking of Offloading, our Ambassador to Rijeka has arrived!

[Ark Royal]

OT - can we move back to about 1600 - medival warfare is loads of fun - invasions, the lot.

Also, England is sending a trade envoy to all currently known countries, trying to work out how to best exploit them for money.

!!!!!!Breaking News!!!!!!!
Foreign secretary executed for 'exploit' remark - he meant 'deal with'

We are also attempting to circumnavigate the globe.

We sell ships of all varieties, from merchant to warships - price upon demand.

OT - can I invade Asia? is that too extreme for so soon in the game or shall I wait a bit

[APDAF]

No.
And.
No.

[FLHerne]

MAP LOCK

Hooray, finally a new game!

I'll be busy for the next few days, but decided to get a country on the map anyway. Fancy description, history and other verbiage will be added retroactively later this week.

All hail the Federacy of Aegean Kingdoms!

As usual, we are willing to trade and exchange ambassadors with our neighbours and other nations.

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[Voyager One]

OT - How long (IRL days) is 1 year? IIRC, last time we played 3 IRL days = 1 year or something similar...
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OT - can I invade Asia?

IMO, that would be extreme for now, you still don't have enough resources. Keep in mind that "white" countries are not defenceless, there are nations and civilizations there too.
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We are also attempting to circumnavigate the globe.

OK, we can assume that has already been done.
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The dollar was almost worthless at the time while the pound was not.

Not quite. As I've found out, 1 pound was about 4-5 dollars.


As for the currency matter, the "gold standard" should apply. All currencies should be valued towards the gold first.
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Merchant ships seem like the most appropriate then, we could spare maybe one for specialised cargo transport across The strait of Gibralatar

OK, one merchantman, something like this:



That would be 50.000 Karantans or 50kg of gold (fully equipped of course).
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our Ambassador to Rijeka has arrived!

Likewise!
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Indeed you may, and we wish to take up this offer. How much?

Something like this then:



120.000 Karantans each (120kg of gold).
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[Ark Royal]

BTW - invading Asia was a joke - on the basis that the British Empire pretty much went "where are there no colonial powers? Lets invade there.

What happened to going back to the 1600, with a decade a week? just a thought

[Voyager One]

I wouldn't, TBH. Too much back IMO.

[Emperor Jake]

Ooh, a new one! About time too I think; the old one was getting a bit monotonous.

MAP LOCK

The Kingdom of Skyrim is introduced to the world arena! Our nation has large resources of raw materials that we would like to export, including gold, iron ore, coal and timber. Economies in coastal towns are mostly based off fishing, and mining of various ores supports inland communities.

An iron works is being built near the capital so that we can turn our vast resource of iron ore into steel products.

The capital and the three other port cities are also equipped with shipyards, and we have a small navy of 30 ships, plus many freighters.

Stats:
Government: Monarchy
King: Karl II
Population: 10 million
Capital: Copenhagen
Currency: Kronor

[APDAF]

I am still avaiting the payment of 5,000 Rhienland Goldmarks Herr Bignone.
If payment is not received the ships will conscripted in the Kaiserliche Marine.

-Wilhelm Daumann Founder of Daumann Heavy Industries