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Do you like the 'planespeed' switch?
Poll ended at Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:11 pm
Yes 21%  21%  [ 5 ]
No, planes go to fast 42%  42%  [ 10 ]
You should be able to set percentage 38%  38%  [ 9 ]
Total votes: 24
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 4:11 pm 
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This is the official topic for the planeset, please keep it clean and please vote in polls.

There will be planes soon, but first a poll

Do you like the 'planespeed' switch?

I don't like this switch becouse even FFP-darts zeep arround the map in 10 seconds. I think it should set percentage...


The official website of the Planeset for Transport Tycoon Deluxe:
http://www.as-st.com/ttd/planes


edit by spiff: changed title and added link
Editted By Lakie: Brought the tile up todate with the current release.

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You should be able to set percentage...

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They go toooooooooooooooo fast

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too fast...

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NOT: You should be able to set percentage, this will mess everything

you should be either turn ON/OFF this switch
I like it because planes are now reliable
I do not like it because planes are nearly unvisible

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Hmmm......
I think the percentage should be set
(still no list available of planes ( :? )


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I'm building planeset site...

Planespeed has plusses and minusses

+ Slow planes (100mph) planes are better
+ Speed @ airport is higher
- Jet planes fly too fast
- Supersonic planes are useless compared to normal planes

Currently I have enabled that it checks for the switch and turns off the GRF file if it's on...

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Dinges wrote:
- Supersonic planes are useless compared to normal planes


I think they've always been, i've never used them. Maybe changing their grfs would help?


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Dinges wrote:
I'm building planeset site...
Currently I have enabled that it checks for the switch and turns off the GRF file if it's on...

I sujest to set diferent plane speed depending on the switch is on or off.

I think, that new switch is good, and to fix it's effect the new plane set should have better values in terms of the TTDs speed. I'd like to see the planes have the high speed, they have, but to higher cost and runing cost. It is possible to balance them to other vehicle with transport analyzer


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There is a cap for running costs, and it's pretty low (sum 15000 inintialy ??)

But seriously a plane going at 500 mph with planespeed on goes much to fast for TTD.

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have a look:
even with new super speeds, they are not toooo good.
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Transport analysis
Comparison of the game transport characteristics transporting 1000 units of cargo a month at a distance of 50 squares and a level difference of 0 levels. Max of results - 500 results, started from 1
#   Name   Cost   Speed   Running cost   Desig­ned   Life   Rating
1   Brown Passenger Liner   72,830 £   53km/h   5,578 £/y   1985   30y   2388141.50
2   Dinger 200   73,827 £   952km/h   9,300 £/y   2012   25y   2141002.33
3   Darwin 300   92,284 £   952km/h   9,487 £/y   1968   25y   1532540.22
4   Dolphin Intercity Bus   15,683 £   110km/h   1,594 £/y   2025   20y   1422187.57
5   Darwin 600   83,056 £   952km/h   8,625 £/y   1994   25y   1324569.48
6   AirTaxi A21   61,523 £   952km/h   8,812 £/y   1972   24y   1219215.34
7   Darwin 500   58,446 £   952km/h   8,250 £/y   1981   25y   1165150.85
8   Bakewell Luckett LB-11   61,523 £   952km/h   7,125 £/y   1990   25y   1144653.47
9   Darwin 400   55,370 £   952km/h   7,875 £/y   1981   25y   992991.85
10   FFP Passenger Ferry   31,990 £   64km/h   1,750 £/y   1971   30y   987521.92
11   AirTaxi A31   58,446 £   952km/h   8,250 £/y   1982   24y   983875.76
12   AirTaxi A33   79,980 £   952km/h   7,875 £/y   1994   24y   981460.72
13   Guru X2 Helicopter   52,294 £   516km/h   2,887 £/y   1997   20y   973365.34
14   Guru Galaxy   76,903 £   952km/h   8,437 £/y   1970   20y   954344.57
15   Bakewell Luckett LB-10   58,446 £   952km/h   7,200 £/y   1971   20y   953435.78
16   Bakewell Luckett LB-8   55,370 £   952km/h   9,000 £/y   1958   23y   916531.37
17   Darwin 100   55,370 £   952km/h   9,000 £/y   1963   25y   895851.31
18   Kelling K7   61,523 £   952km/h   8,625 £/y   2035   25y   836422.68
19   Bakewell 300 Hovercraft   42,272 £   112km/h   4,156 £/y   1968   25y   776292.15
20   AirTaxi A32   55,370 £   952km/h   6,375 £/y   1987   24y   767483.88
21   Bakewell Luckett LB80   55,370 £   952km/h   9,187 £/y   1979   25y   757533.93
22   Tricario Helicopter   46,142 £   321km/h   3,037 £/y   1957   20y   722577.25
23   FFP Hyperdart 2   58,446 £   2330km/h   6,000 £/y   2030   25y   637163.75
24   Darwin 700   64,599 £   952km/h   8,250 £/y   2043   23y   635588.41
25   Scania K124 Irizar PB   9,226 £   250km/h   1,094 £/y   2021   25y   541978.23
26   Bakewell Luckett LB-9   52,294 £   952km/h   5,625 £/y   1965   26y   503589.46
27   Fincantieri Ferry   27,419 £   35km/h   1,968 £/y   1926   30y   502289.81
28   Volvo 5000   14,699 £   61km/h   888 £/y   1995   15y   494897.94
29   MPS Passenger Ferry   27,420 £   32km/h   1,968 £/y   1927   30y   466646.29
30   Darwin 200   52,294 £   952km/h   5,812 £/y   1966   22y   459545.88
31   Kelling K6   55,370 £   952km/h   7,875 £/y   2026   22y   445455.11
32   Yate Aerospace YAe46   49,218 £   952km/h   4,687 £/y   1980   25y   443632.20
33   Volvo 9700   6,274 £   170km/h   999 £/y   2002   21y   430461.43
34   AirTaxi A34-1000   49,218 £   952km/h   4,875 £/y   2000   25y   412508.29
35   Yate Z-Shuttle   49,218 £   952km/h   5,587 £/y   2018   22y   387834.09
36   Yate Aerospace Yac11-1   49,218 £   952km/h   5,062 £/y   1962   22y   375639.94
37   Volvo Super Bus   13,530 £   170km/h   1,562 £/y   1998   17y   351561.51
38   Dinger 100   52,294 £   952km/h   5,437 £/y   1986   20y   348026.08
39   FFP Dart   49,218 £   952km/h   4,875 £/y   1955   18y   282777.42
40   Mercedes Tourismo O315RHD   4,982 £   165km/h   912 £/y   1999   16y   280250.04
41   Kelling K1   52,294 £   952km/h   6,375 £/y   2022   22y   274188.52
42   Dinger 1000   246,092 £   2330km/h   9,412 £/y   2011   20y   270423.03
43   Coleman Count   46,142 £   476km/h   3,750 £/y   1948   24y   267706.43
44   Yate Haugan   230,711 £   2330km/h   9,375 £/y   1969   25y   260561.65
45   Volvo Bus   11,686 £   140km/h   1,375 £/y   1985   15y   255276.75
46   Park Royal Bus   8,734 £   88km/h   1,050 £/y   1975   15y   221187.54
47   RTL Bus   7,504 £   56km/h   600 £/y   1935   15y   167297.55
48   Greyhound Scenicruiser   14,576 £   85km/h   694 £/y   1954   16y   166045.93
49   Foster MkII Superbus   9,840 £   127km/h   1,500 £/y   2009   15y   151748.84
50   Foster Bus   9,225 £   112km/h   1,112 £/y   1986   15y   143858.23
51   Hereford Leopard Bus   8,610 £   88km/h   800 £/y   1965   15y   128934.63
52   Bakewell Cotswald LB-3   46,142 £   476km/h   3,675 £/y   1934   30y   103571.69
53   MPS Regal Bus   7,380 £   56km/h   568 £/y   1930   12y   75041.41
54   Sampson U52   43,066 £   476km/h   3,187 £/y   1928   20y   31454.72

Code:
Transport analysis
Comparison of the game transport characteristics transporting 500 units of cargo a month at a distance of 50 squares and a level difference of 0 levels. Max of results - 500 results, started from 1
#   Name   Cost   Speed   Running cost   Desig­ned   Life   Rating
1   Brown Passenger Liner   72,830 £   53km/h   5,578 £/y   1985   30y   2388141.50
2   Dinger 200   73,827 £   952km/h   9,300 £/y   2012   25y   2074107.78
3   Darwin 300   92,284 £   952km/h   9,487 £/y   1968   25y   1532540.22
4   Darwin 600   83,056 £   952km/h   8,625 £/y   1994   25y   1324569.48
5   Dolphin Intercity Bus   15,683 £   110km/h   1,594 £/y   2025   20y   1316242.42
6   AirTaxi A21   61,523 £   952km/h   8,812 £/y   1972   24y   1219215.34
7   Darwin 500   58,446 £   952km/h   8,250 £/y   1981   25y   1165150.85
8   Bakewell Luckett LB-11   61,523 £   952km/h   7,125 £/y   1990   25y   1144653.47
9   Darwin 400   55,370 £   952km/h   7,875 £/y   1981   25y   992991.85
10   FFP Passenger Ferry   31,990 £   64km/h   1,750 £/y   1971   30y   987521.92
11   AirTaxi A31   58,446 £   952km/h   8,250 £/y   1982   24y   983875.76
12   AirTaxi A33   79,980 £   952km/h   7,875 £/y   1994   24y   981460.72
13   Guru Galaxy   76,903 £   952km/h   8,437 £/y   1970   20y   954344.57
14   Bakewell Luckett LB-10   58,446 £   952km/h   7,200 £/y   1971   20y   953435.78
15   Bakewell Luckett LB-8   55,370 £   952km/h   9,000 £/y   1958   23y   916531.37
16   Darwin 100   55,370 £   952km/h   9,000 £/y   1963   25y   895851.31
17   Kelling K7   61,523 £   952km/h   8,625 £/y   2035   25y   836422.68
18   Guru X2 Helicopter   52,294 £   516km/h   2,887 £/y   1997   20y   821446.00
19   Bakewell 300 Hovercraft   42,272 £   112km/h   4,156 £/y   1968   25y   776292.15
20   AirTaxi A32   55,370 £   952km/h   6,375 £/y   1987   24y   767483.88
21   Bakewell Luckett LB80   55,370 £   952km/h   9,187 £/y   1979   25y   757533.93
22   Tricario Helicopter   46,142 £   321km/h   3,037 £/y   1957   20y   717514.55
23   FFP Hyperdart 2   58,446 £   2330km/h   6,000 £/y   2030   25y   637163.75
24   Darwin 700   64,599 £   952km/h   8,250 £/y   2043   23y   635588.41
25   Scania K124 Irizar PB   9,226 £   250km/h   1,094 £/y   2021   25y   541978.23
26   Bakewell Luckett LB-9   52,294 £   952km/h   5,625 £/y   1965   26y   503589.46
27   Fincantieri Ferry   27,419 £   35km/h   1,968 £/y   1926   30y   502289.81
28   Volvo 5000   14,699 £   61km/h   888 £/y   1995   15y   494897.94
29   MPS Passenger Ferry   27,420 £   32km/h   1,968 £/y   1927   30y   466646.29
30   Darwin 200   52,294 £   952km/h   5,812 £/y   1966   22y   459545.88
31   Kelling K6   55,370 £   952km/h   7,875 £/y   2026   22y   445455.11
32   Yate Aerospace YAe46   49,218 £   952km/h   4,687 £/y   1980   25y   443632.20
33   Volvo 9700   6,274 £   170km/h   999 £/y   2002   21y   430461.43
34   AirTaxi A34-1000   49,218 £   952km/h   4,875 £/y   2000   25y   412508.29
35   Yate Z-Shuttle   49,218 £   952km/h   5,587 £/y   2018   22y   387834.09
36   Yate Aerospace Yac11-1   49,218 £   952km/h   5,062 £/y   1962   22y   375639.94
37   Volvo Super Bus   13,530 £   170km/h   1,562 £/y   1998   17y   351561.51
38   Dinger 100   52,294 £   952km/h   5,437 £/y   1986   20y   348026.08
39   FFP Dart   49,218 £   952km/h   4,875 £/y   1955   18y   282777.42
40   Mercedes Tourismo O315RHD   4,982 £   165km/h   912 £/y   1999   16y   280250.04
41   Kelling K1   52,294 £   952km/h   6,375 £/y   2022   22y   274188.52
42   Dinger 1000   246,092 £   2330km/h   9,412 £/y   2011   20y   270423.03
43   Coleman Count   46,142 £   476km/h   3,750 £/y   1948   24y   267706.43
44   Yate Haugan   230,711 £   2330km/h   9,375 £/y   1969   25y   260561.65
45   Volvo Bus   11,686 £   140km/h   1,375 £/y   1985   15y   255276.75
46   Park Royal Bus   8,734 £   88km/h   1,050 £/y   1975   15y   221187.54
47   RTL Bus   7,504 £   56km/h   600 £/y   1935   15y   167297.55
48   Greyhound Scenicruiser   14,576 £   85km/h   694 £/y   1954   16y   166045.93
49   Foster MkII Superbus   9,840 £   127km/h   1,500 £/y   2009   15y   151748.84
50   Foster Bus   9,225 £   112km/h   1,112 £/y   1986   15y   143858.23
51   Hereford Leopard Bus   8,610 £   88km/h   800 £/y   1965   15y   128934.63
52   Bakewell Cotswald LB-3   46,142 £   476km/h   3,675 £/y   1934   30y   103571.69
53   MPS Regal Bus   7,380 £   56km/h   568 £/y   1930   12y   75041.41
54   Sampson U52   43,066 £   476km/h   3,187 £/y   1928   20y   31454.72

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Transport analysis
Comparison of the game transport characteristics transporting 100 units of cargo a month at a distance of 50 squares and a level difference of 0 levels. Max of results - 500 results, started from 1
#   Name   Cost   Speed   Running cost   Desig­ned   Life   Rating
1   Fincantieri Ferry   27,419 £   35km/h   1,968 £/y   1926   30y   461041.00
2   MPS Passenger Ferry   27,420 £   32km/h   1,968 £/y   1927   30y   461040.00
3   FFP Passenger Ferry   31,990 £   64km/h   1,750 £/y   1971   30y   460680.21
4   FFP Hyperdart 2   58,446 £   2330km/h   6,000 £/y   2030   25y   328861.18
5   Yate Aerospace YAe46   49,218 £   952km/h   4,687 £/y   1980   25y   321074.11
6   AirTaxi A34-1000   49,218 £   952km/h   4,875 £/y   2000   25y   313282.00
7   Scania K124 Irizar PB   9,226 £   250km/h   1,094 £/y   2021   25y   301421.45
8   Bakewell 300 Hovercraft   42,272 £   112km/h   4,156 £/y   1968   25y   298071.42
9   Bakewell Luckett LB-9   52,294 £   952km/h   5,625 £/y   1965   26y   295494.24
10   Volvo 9700   6,274 £   170km/h   999 £/y   2002   21y   285398.32
11   Dolphin Intercity Bus   15,683 £   110km/h   1,594 £/y   2025   20y   275422.61
12   Coleman Count   46,142 £   476km/h   3,750 £/y   1948   24y   267706.43
13   Guru X2 Helicopter   52,294 £   516km/h   2,887 £/y   1997   20y   265138.13
14   Tricario Helicopter   46,142 £   321km/h   3,037 £/y   1957   20y   260925.69
15   Yate Z-Shuttle   49,218 £   952km/h   5,587 £/y   2018   22y   250713.57
16   Volvo 5000   14,699 £   61km/h   888 £/y   1995   15y   244566.11
17   Yate Aerospace Yac11-1   49,218 £   952km/h   5,062 £/y   1962   22y   242950.91
18   Darwin 200   52,294 £   952km/h   5,812 £/y   1966   22y   242078.81
19   AirTaxi A32   55,370 £   952km/h   6,375 £/y   1987   24y   239520.32
20   Kelling K1   52,294 £   952km/h   6,375 £/y   2022   22y   227532.87
21   Dinger 100   52,294 £   952km/h   5,437 £/y   1986   20y   223371.06
22   Volvo Super Bus   13,530 £   170km/h   1,562 £/y   1998   17y   217713.66
23   Park Royal Bus   8,734 £   88km/h   1,050 £/y   1975   15y   215982.73
24   Kelling K6   55,370 £   952km/h   7,875 £/y   2026   22y   203633.19
25   Mercedes Tourismo O315RHD   4,982 £   165km/h   912 £/y   1999   16y   202599.91
26   Bakewell Luckett LB-11   61,523 £   952km/h   7,125 £/y   1990   25y   201753.63
27   Darwin 400   55,370 £   952km/h   7,875 £/y   1981   25y   200983.48
28   FFP Dart   49,218 £   952km/h   4,875 £/y   1955   18y   198447.79
29   Bakewell Luckett LB80   55,370 £   952km/h   9,187 £/y   1979   25y   196225.16
30   Kelling K7   61,523 £   952km/h   8,625 £/y   2035   25y   192521.12
31   Volvo Bus   11,686 £   140km/h   1,375 £/y   1985   15y   188923.69
32   Darwin 100   55,370 £   952km/h   9,000 £/y   1963   25y   185070.65
33   Darwin 500   58,446 £   952km/h   8,250 £/y   1981   25y   177214.71
34   Darwin 700   64,599 £   952km/h   8,250 £/y   2043   23y   173226.85
35   RTL Bus   7,504 £   56km/h   600 £/y   1935   15y   167297.55
36   AirTaxi A31   58,446 £   952km/h   8,250 £/y   1982   24y   166210.05
37   Greyhound Scenicruiser   14,576 £   85km/h   694 £/y   1954   16y   166045.93
38   Bakewell Luckett LB-10   58,446 £   952km/h   7,200 £/y   1971   20y   164251.67
39   Bakewell Luckett LB-8   55,370 £   952km/h   9,000 £/y   1958   23y   160650.78
40   Foster MkII Superbus   9,840 £   127km/h   1,500 £/y   2009   15y   151748.84
41   AirTaxi A33   79,980 £   952km/h   7,875 £/y   1994   24y   148215.00
42   Foster Bus   9,225 £   112km/h   1,112 £/y   1986   15y   143858.23
43   Darwin 600   83,056 £   952km/h   8,625 £/y   1994   25y   131497.57
44   AirTaxi A21   61,523 £   952km/h   8,812 £/y   1972   24y   130410.05
45   Hereford Leopard Bus   8,610 £   88km/h   800 £/y   1965   15y   128934.63
46   Bakewell Cotswald LB-3   46,142 £   476km/h   3,675 £/y   1934   30y   103571.69
47   Guru Galaxy   76,903 £   952km/h   8,437 £/y   1970   20y   94553.13
48   MPS Regal Bus   7,380 £   56km/h   568 £/y   1930   12y   75041.41
49   Brown Passenger Liner   72,830 £   53km/h   5,578 £/y   1985   30y   54371.14
50   Darwin 300   92,284 £   952km/h   9,487 £/y   1968   25y   54114.01
51   Sampson U52   43,066 £   476km/h   3,187 £/y   1928   20y   31454.72
52   Yate Haugan   230,711 £   2330km/h   9,375 £/y   1969   25y   22271.95
53   Dinger 200   73,827 £   952km/h   9,300 £/y   2012   25y   -3761.21
54   Dinger 1000   246,092 £   2330km/h   9,412 £/y   2011   20y   -46605.58


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A good way to tackle the speed of planes is to look how fast they go compared to trains. If you compared those two you should be able to calculate a percentage.

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the main point is, that even an old bus passes 20 squares in 10 day on the flat land


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troopper5 wrote:
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- Supersonic planes are useless compared to normal planes


I think they've always been, i've never used them. Maybe changing their grfs would help?


But do not take the concorde off.
I always make 1 of them running every airport. :wink:
And i never put the real plane speed on
I actually think that it is the other vehicles are going too fast, not the planes too slow :P


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Dinges wrote:
There is a cap for running costs, and it's pretty low (sum 15000 inintialy ??)

But seriously a plane going at 500 mph with planespeed on goes much to fast for TTD.


And Train Running 400 mph is ok right?

And Steam Engine outrunning Plane is also ok?

BTW you can set base running cost factor - take a look at a list of them here: http://kufel.immt.pwr.wroc.pl/~mgrzegor ... tions.html

I use 4ba6 (property 0E a6 4b 00 00 for trains) which is 570$ as base which allowes me to set running cost from 570$ to 145350$ - this should suffice....

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well trains are too good ... rest vehicles are not needed ... but LongVehicles and planespeed switch and NewShips changed it a bit

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uzurpator: There is only one runcost base for planes...


Indeed :/ wierd though. I though you can set the running cost base for all vehicles...

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I think TTDPatch should be adjusted somehow to make it a little bit slower ...

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