Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by Johann » 19 Jun 2010 13:17

So I understand, that there is a chance for a new updates extension "DBXL FIRS&ECS" compatible with TTDPatch.
(I ask because I have a problem the correct configuration OTTD, ttdpatch is easier to use).
Please provide a link in the case new versions of files
And another question whether "dbxl_firs" it will have ability to configure
individual parameters such as for example:
a) new track parameter: 1 original TTDPatch track parameter: 0
b) new electric catenary parameter: 1 original electric TTDPatch catenary parameter: 0
c) locomotive always on the front of the train parameter: 1 locomotive function takes the latest train wagon parameter: 0

newgrfw/dbxl_firs.grf 1 1 0
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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by adam351 » 07 Jul 2010 16:58

I had similar thoughts to what the wrote user Johann

http://www.ttdpatch.net/newgrf.html "DB Set XL (v0.82) last update May 10 2005" - Nothing New
http://www.ewetel.net/~michael.blunck/ttd message content: "Fehler 404" - Page Unavailable

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Now that have been created new version "DB Set XL v0.82 FIRS extension" I was hoping that it will work nicely
and now I see that, the full compatibility it's necessary still little time. By the way I'm curious whether this version of the graphics has adequate group of cargo going beyond system ECS. I still think, that the most similar graphics version of industry, which resemble those in the game tycoon is a:
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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by michael blunck » 12 Jul 2010 19:14

@Johann, adam351

The DBXL FIRS extension will not work for TTDPatch, simply because the FIRS newgrf claims to be incompatible with TTDPatch. (I didn´t check this in detail, though).

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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by Johann » 21 Jul 2010 15:21

(I didn´t check this in detail, though)
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Please take care of this project again

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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by wallyweb » 21 Jul 2010 16:01

michael blunck wrote:... simply because the FIRS newgrf claims to be incompatible with TTDPatch ...
It seems that when one designs GRF's and cargoes initially for TTDPatch, folks have no problem expanding these sets to take advantage of OTTD's extended features. Unfortunately, this does not seem to work in the other direction. For some reason nobody seems to have found a way take an initially OTTD GRF and pare it down to accommodate TTDPatch. Hence the incompatibilities. :roll:

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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by michael blunck » 21 Jul 2010 18:52

wallyweb wrote: For some reason nobody seems to have found a way take an initially OTTD GRF and pare it down to accommodate TTDPatch.
IMO, making kind of a "subset" working for TTDPatch would be possible in almost any case. What I´ve learned from making the DBXL FIRS extension I´d say that particular set should be get to work under TTDpatch too, although I havent´t taken a look into it until now, just from the number of cargoes (and industries) used.

Making a set for "OTTD only" seems to be sort of a "statement" nowadays, not because of any technical limitation, mostly.

Nevertheless, because FIRS seems to be under the GPL, it should be possible to make a release for TTDPatch by third parties.

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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by Yexo » 21 Jul 2010 19:37

michael blunck wrote:Making a set for "OTTD only" seems to be sort of a "statement" nowadays, not because of any technical limitation, mostly.
And in at least one case (swedishrails) it's due to complete lack of response of TTDPatch bug reports (here). The code has everything needed for TTDPatch support, so the work has been done. You can't keep blaming the grf authors if there is no help at all in case of bugs in the ttdpatch code. I can't say much about other sets, but I suspect it's simply because there are more people using OpenTTD nowadays and they either can't be bothered or are not able to test their sets properly in ttdpatch.

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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by michael blunck » 21 Jul 2010 19:42

Yexo wrote:And in at least one case (swedishrails) it's due to complete lack of response of TTDPatch bug reports (here).
As it´s the case with OTTD (flyspray), TTDPatch has a bug tracker as well. Now I´m aware of that post, I´ll talk to a developer about it, just in case none of them did see it here.

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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by FooBar » 21 Jul 2010 19:49

michael blunck wrote:Nevertheless, because FIRS seems to be under the GPL, it should be possible to make a release for TTDPatch by third parties.
A bit off-topic, but I can't help to respond to this...

A FIRS version for TTDPatch is certainly possible, especially with a little help of the "economies" feature. This feature allows the user to select (via parameter) a certain predefined subset of cargoes and industries. The biggest problem with FIRS and TTDPatch is that FIRS has way more industries and cargoes than TTDPatch allows. With help of the economies feature, a smaller selection can be made that is suitable for games in TTDPatch. Andy and I always kept the door for a TTDPatch version open, however we will not look into that until we reach a full-featured stable release. I do not recommend forking the set at this point, as it will be very annoying to maintain that due to future changes and additions.

Having that said, FIRS uses some features that are OpenTTD-only (from the top of my head: clustering of industries and reading data from stack in the fund industry menu; there might be more). These features should be safeguarded when FIRS is loaded in TTDPatch.

When FIRS reaches a stable state, you're more than welcome to discuss what can be done to make FIRS work in TTDPatch.

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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by michael blunck » 21 Jul 2010 19:58

FooBar wrote: The biggest problem with FIRS and TTDPatch is that FIRS has way more industries and cargoes than TTDPatch allows.
andythenorth wrote: This is FIRS 0.2 It's a fully playable version containing 37 industries and 26 cargos.
http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php? ... dd#p800025
TTDPatch Wiki wrote: maximum number of possible industries is 37 in TTDPatch
http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php ... Industries
TTDPatch Wiki wrote: The newcargos switch of TTDPatch allows modifying the existing 12 cargos per climate, and allows adding 20 new cargos per climate as well.
http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php ... ion0Cargos
Anyway, this is going a bit OT here.

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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by eis_os » 22 Jul 2010 07:16

Yexo wrote:
michael blunck wrote:Making a set for "OTTD only" seems to be sort of a "statement" nowadays, not because of any technical limitation, mostly.
And in at least one case (swedishrails) it's due to complete lack of response of TTDPatch bug reports (here). The code has everything needed for TTDPatch support, so the work has been done. You can't keep blaming the grf authors if there is no help at all in case of bugs in the ttdpatch code. I can't say much about other sets, but I suspect it's simply because there are more people using OpenTTD nowadays and they either can't be bothered or are not able to test their sets properly in ttdpatch.
Imho: It's not easy to fix bugs, TTDPatch isn't maintained much... While I have read your bug report there, I never found out why it crashes really (and the only support I can currently give is simple code reviews) so there wasn't much I can say...

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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by Johann » 03 Jan 2013 17:20

hello everyone
I know that the repeat but I'm very sad that the TTDPatch-nightly project officially dead it's a pity because I wanted to see currently running older graphics (created for game tycoon) maybe can still to do something DBXL however, restore to life. I am writing about it because I see Michael Blunck new posts with the date 2012

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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by Lakie » 03 Jan 2013 18:18

I believe Michael Blunck now uses OpenTTD which is an open source implementation of a TTD like game, similar to many other users of this forum.
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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by michael blunck » 05 Jan 2013 20:37

I´m still developing for both programs, TTDPatch and OpenTTD. E.g., NewStations v0.5 works for both platforms.

O/c, some other features (e.g. rail types) won´t work for TTDpatch.

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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by Johann » 06 Jan 2013 13:12

It that something going on I see on the page
And as for the project OpenTTD It is for me too advanced I don't know how add old GRF to OpenTTD I see only mode online that doesn't include all files. Therefore constantly ask about upgrade associated with TTDPatch. Below method method is much friendlier
[ttdpatch.cfg] Settings

// `keepsmallairport' (-k) umożliwia budowanie małych lotnisk zawsze, niezależnie od roku.
keepsmallairport on

[Newgrfw.cfg] Settings

newgrfw/newairportw.grf 1 1 0 1 0 0
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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by SquireJames » 06 Jan 2013 18:46

You find a cfg file easy but are baffled by a simple nested options screen? That's...confusing.
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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by Chris » 06 Jan 2013 19:07

Copy the newgrf file into Documents/OpenTTD/newgrf or into the data folder of OpenTTD, then add them into the game via the Newgrf settings ingame (before you start a new game).
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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by Ameecher » 11 Apr 2017 19:12

**blows off dust**

I've recently re-installed OpenTTD and having always used PBI v1.5 with DBSetXL 0.82 together by using the ECS extension for DBSetXL which always worked fine but seemingly in OTTD 1.6.1 this adapter GRF doesn't seem to want to work. Have I forgotten what is required to get the two sets to work harmoniously so that I can carry Plastic & Fuel Oil or is there another work around?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Modification of addition "DB Set XL"

Post by NekoMaster » 11 Apr 2017 21:21

Ameecher wrote:**blows off dust**

I've recently re-installed OpenTTD and having always used PBI v1.5 with DBSetXL 0.82 together by using the ECS extension for DBSetXL which always worked fine but seemingly in OTTD 1.6.1 this adapter GRF doesn't seem to want to work. Have I forgotten what is required to get the two sets to work harmoniously so that I can carry Plastic & Fuel Oil or is there another work around?

Thanks in advance.
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