Graphics disabled

[FlipFlipsen]

Hello Forum,

I noticed that since a number of nighties, some newgraphics are disabled.
I cannot enable them.
Please could you tell me, what is wrong?

[CMircea]

OpenTTD doesn't fully support newhouses, so TTRS3 isn't going to work. Try version TTRS2 OTTD. Newcargos isn't supported either. Basetunnels, that version isn't compatible with OTTD, you need an older one, since I have the same problem.

[Ailure]

http://nightly.openttd.org/newhouses/files/

The newhouses branch is what you might want to try if you want to use any newHouses GRF's. Mind you that it's a bit exprimental branch, but I think it was close to being merged with trunk last I checked.

[DaleStan]

Basetunnels, that version isn't compatible with OTTD,

That's as may be, but the license for basetunnels forbids you from using in OpenTTD without the explicit permission of the author.

[richk67]

I suspect that is a rather overzealous reading of clause 6:

6. [You are not allowed to] use the graphic package without using original TTD and TTDPatch without specific prior written permission

This kind of clause 99% of the time is to restrict the use of the graphics outside of the context of TTD (which includes TTD,TTDP,OTTD).

It is possible that the author really does mean "not for use in anything but TTDP", but I think that unlikely. Its more likely "not for ripping off and using in some non-TTD related product".

[DaleStan]

That is a legal document, and must be read as such. Therefore, anything not explicitly permitted is forbidden, with the usual exceptions for parody, fair use, and the like.
Since TTDPatch is mentioned, but OpenTTD is not, there must be some significant difference between the two.

Also, it's Oskar, who has received much hassle from the copyright authorities in his country over his perceived involvement with OpenTTD. Given that, I think writing a license that forbids the use of his work with OpenTTD is quite understandable.

[richk67]

Not necessarily a significant difference. It is more likely that if asked now, he would update it to include OTTD. I suppose the only thing would be to ask him...

[edit]Question asked...

[eis_os]

Reagarding inquiries of my license. It's right that forbid any usage outside TTD(Patch). Or in other words the usage with other applications like OTTD is forbidden.

The personal aspect: I haven't seen yet a reason why I should in anyway support OTTD consindering the most time I will be angry about some User of the OTTD Community as soon as I get in some contact with them, this is my personal feeling about it and doesn't mean all people, but some people do really annoy me and takes all the fun out of the whole TTD world.

The legal aspect: There is no sign of OTTD to become a proper project in the legal sense. Anyone has to respect the Copyright of others. There was enough discussion on that subject, so enough said.

As my grf has error texts and doesn't show a big error in nforenum I can only guess something changed the way OTTD handles errors..Consindering no one posted an error message, I guess OTTD still doesn't support grf errors properly. Blame the devs

Personally I don't think my tunnels are that good, consindering the whole creation process (I still wait for others to provide better tunnels) they are created only because of the way enhancetunnels work and heavy depend on the concept of the misbehaving of the TTD(Patch) spritesorting.

[richk67]

Thanks for the reply, and its clarity.

[fabca2]

The personal aspect: I haven't seen yet a reason why I should in anyway support OTTD consindering the most time I will be angry about some User of the OTTD Community as soon as I get in some contact with them, this is my personal feeling about it and doesn't mean all people, but some people do really annoy me and takes all the fun out of the whole TTD world.

That totally clear, you do what you want.

Allowing your grf in OTTD does not mean supporting OTTD.

No need to explain how some user looks so annoying to you,
richk97 just asked you if it allowed or not, you reply "no", that's it, we respect your choice.

[Maedhros]

As my grf has error texts and doesn't show a big error in nforenum I can only guess something changed the way OTTD handles errors..Consindering no one posted an error message, I guess OTTD still doesn't support grf errors properly. Blame the devs

No, OpenTTD now actually supports them. The error in question is about OpenTTD not having unifiedmaglev = 1, which in basetunnels is a fatal error.

[eis_os]

Well without unimaglev = 1 it would overwrite sprites wrong, a reason it's actually a fatal error...

[Vloris]

6. [You are not allowed to] use the graphic package without using original TTD and TTDPatch without specific prior written permission

First, yes, I read that excluding OpenTTD was in fact what was meant. But, openttd needs the original TTD graphics files, so I think you could say I am really using TTD when in fact I run openttd to play a game.

[FlipFlipsen]

Hello Forum,

I installed OpenTTD 0.5.0 (Final), and now all graphics work wel.

Also NewCargo Set V0.1104.08.05
Total Town Replacement Set v3.01
Basetunnels
ECS.Agricultural vector alpha 1(03 May 2006)

As soon as I install the newest nighty, those graphics mentioned above are no longer available.

[DaleStan]

Does Open actually do something different when you load those files? If not, then whether they are or are not marked as loaded doesn't really make much difference, does it?

[FlipFlipsen]

Yes, for instance wen the nighties are installed, i have no basetunnels available. I also do not see those basetunnels.

In de 0.5.0 version without nighties, basetunnels are available, and I also see those basetunnels in the game.

For the other graphics, I'm not sure wether there is a difference or not.

[Born Acorn]

Also NewCargo Set V0.1104.08.05

Never worked, because theres no support for new industries.

Total Town Replacement Set v3.01

Never worked, because theres no support for new houses yet.

Basetunnels

Shouldn't be using it in OpenTTD because it's against the license. (read above posts)

ECS.Agricultural vector alpha 1(03 May 2006)

Never worked, because theres no support for new industries.

[Baboolal]

How about editing the newgrf.cfg and changing the read or skip part (#)?

[DaleStan]

Okay. So you mention OpenTTD in an Transport Tycoon Deluxe-only thread. That's an understandable mistake. But now you come to the OpenTTD forums and talk about TTDPatch?

Will you please pay ATTENTION to what and where you're posting?

[athanasios]

I simply don't understand some people.
Most of us play both OpenTTD and TTD.
If I draw a sprite for one I don't care if it is used in the other. I care about copyright in the sence that I don't see my work in another commercial product making profit for someone else. Even if someone uses it in Simutrans or whatever clone comes in the future, I don't mind.

If someone has different ideas, he 'd better leave the forum alone, and post whatever he wants in his web page. He may even charge a fee if he wants.

eis_os I feel somewhat offended, when someone speaks in such a way about fans of OpenTTD and TTD. I have to repeat it again: It is just a game to have fun, not to quarrel and hurt ourselves. Keep cool = This applies to all, not personal. And as I can see, despite your licence many are using your grf in OpenTTD, please don't make them have sorrow from forbidding this because a few idiots are causing trouble.

If there are problem with authorities and licence was forced to be like that, then I will not speak more. We all understand what we have to do...

And another thing: TTDPatch, if we want to be strict, isn't legal either, unless there is licence from copyright owners of TTD.
If someone built an exe that would make MS Windows unrecognizable from new additions, Microsoft would have taken his head, and I don't think anyone disagrees with me on the latter.