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[Moved from a thread in General OpenTTD, where the off topic pro Firefox crap has been left :?]
Losterin wrote: I using FF, because it is better than IE, and it has got 0 mistakes.
Hahaha. Firefox zealots do make me laugh :lol:

http://www.chrisbeach.co.uk/core/script ... hp?ID=7934

http://www.chrisbeach.co.uk/core/script ... hp?ID=6983

http://www.chrisbeach.co.uk/core/script ... hp?ID=6077

To list a few problems...

Luckily people are switching back to real browsers

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Storwin wrote:the situation is easily remedied by _having_ a favicon, which almost all professional webpages have nowadays.
Not really a great solution to a problem with a browser...

I quite like the favicon I added to my site, with a little message to people using such poorly coded browsers.
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O.o

You are silly.
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Just FYI, this was split off from some OTTD topic where it had absolutely no reason of being.

Anyway, back on-off-topic...
oliciv wrote:Luckily people are switching back to real browsers
Your site is a sham. It directs people to a download at microsoft.com which won't install on my computer. Maybe you should get a proper OS instead.
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/me installs phpBB User Hide.
/me killfiles oliciv.

You were saying, oliciv? Oh, right, I can't hear you. Let's see you killfile me using your precious IE.

EDIT: And while you're trying to figure that one out, why don't you think about fixing your site. For some unknown reason, it no longer realizes that I'm using FireFox to access it, and that nice pretty red line of text magically doesn't appear.
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oliciv wrote: Hahaha. Firefox zealots do make me laugh :lol:
I suspect your IE zealotry is having a similar affect on the FF zealots. :wink:
oliciv wrote:
Luckily people are switching back to real browsers
And what, in your opinion, counts as a "real" browser?
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Patchman wrote:Maybe you should get a proper OS instead.
I already use Windows :mrgreen:

My IE zealotry is based mainly on watching how defensive Firefox users will get based on their buggy, insecure browser who's dev team cover up bugs for 5 years rather than fixing them

And before anyone says it, most people complaining about IE's security problems are people who havn't updated it since installing Windows ;)
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Those articles you reference to are 4, 7 and 11 months old.
I didn't get good grades at Dutch, but I do know that for a source to be 'valid', the information has to be up to date.

Basically, you've got nothing.
Furthermore, why the heck would you (or anyone else) care which browser OTHER people use? :|
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What happened man?

You used to be cool. Now you're backing Windows...
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GoneWacko wrote: Furthermore, why the heck would you (or anyone else) care which browser OTHER people use? :|
People who make websites for a living would care ;)
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GoneWacko wrote:Furthermore, why the heck would you (or anyone else) care which browser OTHER people use? :|
Because he is a howling zealot.
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Raichase wrote:You used to be cool. Now you're backing Windows...
It may not be perfect, but it's better than the alternatives :D
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oliciv wrote:
GoneWacko wrote: Furthermore, why the heck would you (or anyone else) care which browser OTHER people use? :|
People who make websites for a living would care ;)
Hmm, most people I have spoken to who do such a thing almost love and adore Firefox as if it was crafted by gods own hands...
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oliciv wrote:My IE zealotry is based mainly on watching how defensive Firefox users will get based on their buggy, insecure browser who's dev team cover up bugs for 5 years rather than fixing them
It could just be me but basing your zealotry for one product on the behaviour of some, not all, of the users of another product is somewhat silly. Surely, such reasoning would only lead to your being anti Firefox rather than pro IE?
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oliciv wrote:
Raichase wrote:You used to be cool. Now you're backing Windows...
It may not be perfect, but it's better than the alternatives :D
No it's not.
I don't think you even gave the alternatives a try.
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toholio wrote: It could just be me but basing your zealotry for one product on the behaviour of some, not all, of the users of another product is somewhat silly. Surely, such reasoning would only lead to your being anti Firefox rather than pro IE?
Well I do also like the IE browser, there are other alternatives I could be using if I was simply anti Firefox ;)
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GoneWacko wrote:
oliciv wrote: It may not be perfect, but it's better than the alternatives :D
No it's not.
Name some ways in which it is not...

(If you say security I will laugh)
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oliciv wrote:Name some ways in which it is not...

(If you say security I will laugh)
Technical or UI?

If we're talking about technical reasons then the absolutely dreadful default security arrangements would be my major reason for not liking Windows. Close runner ups would be the broken device handling and filesystem layouts.

You can laugh all you want but I've had to do some terrifying things with ACLs under Windows to get programs such as AutoCAD to run without administrator rights. Such widely used programs requiring such shoddy setup is largely, but not entirely, the fault of Windows' broken default security.
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toholio wrote: You can laugh all you want but I've had to do some terrifying things with ACLs under Windows to get programs such as AutoCAD to run without administrator rights. Such widely used programs requiring such shoddy setup is largely, but not entirely, the fault of Windows' broken default security.
Would you blame Linux if you couldn't run a third party application that required root access?
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oliciv wrote: Would you blame Linux if you couldn't run a third party application that required root access?
If the Linux distro it was intended for made users root by default and had remained that way for years, yes, in that case I would most definitely blame the distro (at least partially).

Fortunately the idea that users should be an administrator by default seems to not have spread very far beyond Windows.
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