German Tram Set

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 04 Jun 2005 11:17

Just for the record. Here´s an old discussion from misc.transport.rail.europe on "Street running in Europe" which mentions many locations where passenger trains are using streets. Apparently, usage of streets by freight trains seems to be even more common:

http://groups.google.de/group/misc.tran ... 510466ba74

regards
Michael

Aegir · Post by **Aegir** » 04 Jun 2005 12:13

Thanks for that information Michael!

Im glad people around here know all the sources of info, Im lost when it comes to researching railroads.

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 04 Jun 2005 12:43

Aegir wrote:Im glad people around here know all the sources of info [...]

Here are some Usenet groups on railroading:

misc.transport.rail.americas
misc.transport.rail.europe
misc.transport.rail.australia-nz
misc.transport.rail.misc

fr.misc.transport.rail

japan.rail
japan.rail.steam-locomotive

aus.rail

uk.railway

de.etc.bahn.eisenbahn
de.etc.bahn.eisenbahntechnik
de.etc.bahn.historisch
de.etc.bahn.misc

Edit: and o/c dozens of forums, e.g.

http://www.worldrailfans.info/forum/
(much modelling, but a vast link list and good historical information)

http://www.drehscheibe-online.de/
(quite a large forum, excellent information, german language)

regards
Michael

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 04 Jun 2005 14:17

Here's a few thoughts.

1. Patchman said it would need a new track type in order to have the tracks appear as if they were in the street, because it cannot know if it replaced a road or not. However, you might be able to approximate the same thing by using the same zones that the cities use to determine whether or not a street gets sidewalks, lampposts, etc. Make the tracks look to see what zone they are in, and take on sidewalks as well.

2. Regardless of Patching, or even OTTD, I cannot think that we'll ever have normal tracks and RVs sharing a square, because the normal tracks run down the middle of the square against opposing RV traffic, and the routing algorithm would be a nightmare. The proposed tram system would have two tracks on each square, just as the roads have two lanes on each square, and so the trams would move just as if they were normal traffic, so that's not a problem. But that won't happen in the Patch for a while yet. I suppose at that point, then proper trams wouldn't be able to connect to normal tracks, unless something very interesting is invented to adapt them.

Aegir · Post by **Aegir** » 04 Jun 2005 14:30

krtaylor wrote:Patchman said it would need a new track type in order to have the tracks appear as if they were in the street,

Thats not what he said. He said it would require a newtrack feature. Think newindustries, newstations, newgrf. What do they all do? Add .grf capabilities.

We are already using a third track type to make them look like they are in the street. Please pay attention.

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 04 Jun 2005 19:28

Sorry for double posting, but here´s "street running" at it´s best.

RhB Ge 4/4 II 618 with a train of the Arosa line in close encounter:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/nar ... _Chur3.jpg

regards
Michael

DanMacK · Post by **DanMacK** » 04 Jun 2005 19:40

A few more Heavy Duty street running shots courtesy of Pentrex

Aegir · Post by **Aegir** » 05 Jun 2005 02:20

Those photos are almost sureal DanMacK...

Edit: Oh and Michael, thats photo is now my wallpaper

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eis_os · Post by **eis_os** » 05 Jun 2005 11:04

http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=75881#75881

RK · Post by RK » 05 Jun 2005 12:08

Aegir wrote:
Akalamanaia wrote:American Inter-urbans spring to mind with that patch, i would certainly use the feature Aegir is developing as it is.
In that case eat up:
I dont actually hate you Akalamanaia, you just annoy the crap out of me on IRC.

Your patch is great. Let's hope patchman will integrate it.

RK · Post by RK » 05 Jun 2005 15:23

just a try for a waitinghouse

jvassie · Post by **jvassie** » 05 Jun 2005 15:25

Looks pretty flash!

Cant wait to see a finished set!

James

Wile E. Coyote · Post by **Wile E. Coyote** » 05 Jun 2005 18:43

eis_os wrote:http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=75881#75881

That's great!

If that'll be possible in future...

goalie · Post by **goalie** » 05 Jun 2005 19:01

Aegir wrote:
Akalamanaia wrote:American Inter-urbans spring to mind with that patch, i would certainly use the feature Aegir is developing as it is.
In that case eat up:
I dont actually hate you Akalamanaia, you just annoy the crap out of me on IRC.

ic annot get the tram tracks working what i have to do

RK · Post by RK » 05 Jun 2005 20:11

Do you have electrified railsways on and unifiedmaglev set to 1?

coalroads artist · Post by **coalroads artist** » 06 Jun 2005 04:01

I can't believe they let huge frieght trains so close to people and vechiles over there.Here in australia, you can recieve a hefty fine for just being close to the railway (dangerous being railfan).I like the idea

for the game as well

railer · Post by **railer** » 07 Jun 2005 14:13

For me the trams would be only interesting, if I could build the tracks over the already existing roads, without having to remove them - and solve the city's public transport with trams instead of busses.. I don't use busses anyway, so they could be replaced by trams.
As for letting freight trains etc. into cities: despite the examples you mentioned , I don't think it's a realistic option.

DanMacK · Post by **DanMacK** » 07 Jun 2005 21:03

Well, I'd like the option to be there for those of us that want to use it. You don't need to use them if you don't want to, but I see the use of it, esp. to get a freight line to the factory across town.

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 07 Jun 2005 21:26

Wouldn't it mess up the city though, because the houses would no longer be next to a road?

Siema · Post by **Siema** » 07 Jun 2005 22:12

krtaylor wrote:Wouldn't it mess up the city though, because the houses would no longer be next to a road?

Yes, I was also wondering about that. And what with Local Authorities, as I remember they doesn't like too many railway tracks near/in town. They also doesn't like demolishing roads too much.

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