London Midland unveils first 172s

[jonnie47]

nothing wrong with 150`s. i go on them quite a lot and for there age they are great. imagin a car at that age with the abuse that these units have had, you would be lucky to get a car to move. Yes the 17x units are good but you will miss them when there gone, or gone up north.

[61653]

185s are pretty screaky as they set off though, and not truly so suited to the stop-start all-stations services currently served by pacers and sprinters. Edifice 1,000 172 vehicles to supersede all those would be a decent promotion still in these stark times- they'll be DDA-compliant, and doing that now would alter far statesman discernment than having a mad act before the 2020 (I opine) deadline same we had with the analysis of MK1 EMUs. A few several versions might be requisite for longer-distance or higher-density, but we'd soul a fastidious, just, efficacious and stylish fast of trains, of a evenhandedly homogeneous organization for assist of upkeep.

Bots are getting pretty good...

[supermop]

What happens when the bots start providing better and more on topic contributions to the fora than the humans?

[61653]

nothing wrong with 150`s. i go on them quite a lot and for there age they are great. imagin a car at that age with the abuse that these units have had, you would be lucky to get a car to move. Yes the 17x units are good but you will miss them when there gone, or gone up north.

But compare the 150s with EMUs of a similar age/design that operate in the south east: the 455s/317s are in far better shape, because they've had a decent amount of money spent on refurbishments. Northern's 150s are in a state because they were last refurbished (if at all, and largely only superficially) in the early days of Privatisation (the NorthWesternTrains days), there's even a few sets with the original seating in (albeit recovered in Northern's fabric). 150s up here are pretty terrible, but with a bit of investment they'd be in good shape to last at least until the deadline for DDA-compliance (as the worryingly well-informed, if Prescott-esque Spambot mentioned).

[jonnie47]

sorry for double post

[jonnie47]

But compare the 150s with EMUs of a similar age/design that operate in the south east: the 455s/317s are in far better shape, because they've had a decent amount of money spent on refurbishments. Northern's 150s are in a state because they were last refurbished (if at all, and largely only superficially) in the early days of Privatisation (the NorthWesternTrains days), there's even a few sets with the original seating in (albeit recovered in Northern's fabric). 150s up here are pretty terrible, but with a bit of investment they'd be in good shape to last at least until the deadline for DDA-compliance (as the worryingly well-informed, if Prescott-esque Spambot mentioned).

I agree with that a little bit more tlc would do them justice, i guess you could say with the example of class 455s from down south i guess thats were most railway money goes these days.[/quote]

[EXTspotter]

Yeah, I took a 455 on the route to Waterloo via Epsom the other day and it is much more comfortable than taking even the relatively well refurbed ex-Wessex 150s back home.

[John]

Bots are getting pretty good...

What happens when the bots start providing better and more on topic contributions to the fora than the humans?

Not really - it's post number 18 run through a thesaurus.


The real threat is that this might improve the standard of english rather than the level of conversation