[ottd] Danish transport set (Version 0.0.3.B) (14.10%) [dead / 2020]

Michael24 · Post by **Michael24** » 18 Oct 2006 23:46

Litra Y: http://www.ooas.dk/ttdxd/trains/Y/NJBA_Ym1_Skagen1.jpg

Litra ML:http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/die ... /ctl38.gif

Michael24 · Post by **Michael24** » 18 Oct 2006 23:52

Btw: Starting om the Litra EG tomorrow if nobody have startet..

Bjarni · Post by **Bjarni** » 19 Oct 2006 00:03

Lachris wrote:Edit1: What is the difference between Litra Y (the pig) and Litra ML??

There is a big difference. One of them says DSB on the side, the other does not.
There is a piece of history behind it. Until 1984, Helsingør-Hillerød used MO, but they were worn out and had really poor reliability in the end. DSB wanted MR/MRD to replace them, but the politicians didn't allow DSB to buy trains that would need to go to Fredericia every time they needed even a minor checkup, so they argued for years. In the end, the politicians ordered DSB to buy litra Y and make an agreement for repairs in Hillerød, but DSB would still not use those trains, so to make it a bit better, they got DSB-red livery and a different name.
Today HFHJ uses IC2, so there are some left over Y middle cars (can't remember the name of those) and they are actually used by DSB between Hillerød and Helsingør. Since they are not repainted, you can sometime see a train with differently coloured wagons.

I hope this explains the "difference"

also a note about turning a train the wrong way. It's actually something that can happen really easy if you are not careful. Say you got a train in Roskilde and you should go to Copenhagen, but gets divertet to kastrup and then go back to Copenhagen, then you turned your train around and with the very few operational turntables and the busy tracks around the areas where you can turn the trains, it can be a problem to turn them right again.

Lachris · Post by **Lachris** » 19 Oct 2006 00:03

Hmm beliefed i draw the Litra Y not the litra ML

Michael24 · Post by **Michael24** » 19 Oct 2006 00:05

Y middle cars (can't remember the name of those)

Litra FL

Bjarni · Post by **Bjarni** » 19 Oct 2006 00:07

also let's make one thing clear: Litra Y is actually not the pig. The real pig is the 2 axle Triangel motorcar because when they started driving on LNJ (Nærumbanen) in 1927, people knew that all trains used a steam whistle, so they used a compressed air whistle. It didn't really work as good as they had hoped because it sounded like a screaming pig. Those trains were retired around 1950, but the name still lives. Now people just use that name for the "wrong" trains

People even call the RegioSprinter for "the pig"

Michael24 · Post by **Michael24** » 19 Oct 2006 00:10

Bjarni wrote: People even call the RegioSprinter for "the pig"

Well, thats just stupid. Calling a late 90's Hitech train the pig..

Edit: What about the YM form the LNJ? Will this be a train or a tram?

Lachris · Post by **Lachris** » 19 Oct 2006 00:13

If this is Litra Y: http://www.ooas.dk/ttdxd/trains/Y/NJBA_Ym1_Skagen1.jpg

Then i have do draw it with some other paint

Michael24 · Post by **Michael24** » 19 Oct 2006 00:15

Lachris wrote:If this is Litra Y: http://www.ooas.dk/ttdxd/trains/Y/NJBA_Ym1_Skagen1.jpg

Then i have do draw it with some other paint

Well, it is the is, but is just with a nother private line i belive (correct me if i am wrong.)

Edit: Ok, a little confused here.
The litra ML(and middlewagon FL) is the train from the Lille Nord.
Then we have the Pig(whats the litra name here?) and then the YM, the single ML looking wagon.

Im i right?

Michael24 · Post by **Michael24** » 19 Oct 2006 00:34

Okei, serached around a bit and found a picture of the pig. It dont look like ML at all..
Here

Bjarni · Post by **Bjarni** » 19 Oct 2006 00:38

Michael24 wrote: Edit: Ok, a little confused here.
The litra ML(and middlewagon FL) is the train from the Lille Nord.
Then we have the Pig(whats the litra name here?) and then the YM, the single ML looking wagon.

Im i right?

ML is the DSB train on Little Nord (AFAIK ownership will be transferred to Lokalbanen in 2007, but that's anohter story)
Litra Y is the design if it's not a DSB train. Ym is the engine car, Ys is the steering car and (inset name here, that I have yet to remember

) is the middle car.

Different lines have different livery for their Y trains.

I hope this clears up the confusion. It's all just the same design, but they are painted differently and in case of DSB, they assigned a different name, but it's still the same design.

Michael24 · Post by **Michael24** » 19 Oct 2006 00:43

Yeah but...

YM = http://www.signalpost.dk/foto/LNJ-6.JPG

YM = ?? http://www.jernbanen.dk/lyntog.asp?typenr=10

I dont get it...

It cant have the same name, when the first one has steering in both end of the wagon, but the ML dont? Are you sure that the Litra ML, is'nt infact only the enginewagon, and not the real name for the hole train(with FL)?

Bjarni · Post by **Bjarni** » 19 Oct 2006 00:43

Michael24 wrote:Okei, serached around a bit and found a picture of the pig. It dont look like ML at all..
Here

hahaha, that one is incorrectly referred to as a pig (sometimes called "Sølvgrisen"). To read more about it, look here: http://www.veterantoget.dk/materiel/motor/lnjsm13.html
And here is the real pig: http://www.veterantoget.dk/materiel/motor/lnjm4.html

I think I posted both images/links earlier.

The misunderstanding is due to some people starting to call the railroad lines and hence all the trains on them for pigs. There is only one real pig (even though the official name is something different)

Michael24 · Post by **Michael24** » 19 Oct 2006 00:48

haha, I made a funny

*page bookmarked*

Bjarni · Post by **Bjarni** » 19 Oct 2006 00:48

Michael24 wrote:Yeah but...

YM = http://www.signalpost.dk/foto/LNJ-6.JPG

YM = ?? http://www.jernbanen.dk/lyntog.asp?typenr=10

I dont get it... It cant have the same name, when the first one has steering in both end of the wagon, but the ML dont? Are you sure that the Litra ML, is'nt infact only the enginewagon, and not the real name for the hole train(with FL)?

ok, it appears that we need a full explanation for this.
You know what ML/FL is as you found the link.
Ym is a Litra Y with an engine (motor). You found a link with the line, that used them with cabs in both ends (again LNJ). It can also have just one cab and then it looks like ML (same engine, different paint).
When it comes to private lines, naming is consistent if you look at one line, but not if you look at two different lines. Ym is not the same for LNJ as it is for every other line as they got shorter trains.

Michael24 · Post by **Michael24** » 19 Oct 2006 00:53

Okei, think I got it now.(You gotta admit, this can be very confusing..)

But it would make more sence if the hade atleast a ekstra letter if they are not the same size or/and shape...

OKF2000 · Post by **OKF2000** » 19 Oct 2006 04:53

it sounds like we have to desuion on going.

the Litra EG i free..

Lachris · Post by **Lachris** » 19 Oct 2006 14:49

Yes a BIG confusing

Im done with the ehmmm Train don't know what the name is

But here it is

Michael24 · Post by **Michael24** » 19 Oct 2006 14:57

I think we agreed on Litra ML(?)

Looks great btw!

Lachris · Post by **Lachris** » 19 Oct 2006 15:01

Thx

Think the next project would be
Litra Y: http://www.ooas.dk/ttdxd/trains/Y/NJBA_Ym1_Skagen1.jpg

If it is Litra Y

It's just make the Litra ML and change the colours

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