Aviators Aircraft Set (av8) v2.2 25/02/2013

[DanMacK]

Hmm. This set certainly has a very different feel of what the planes are supposed to look like. I find myself wishing that the coding work found here could be duplicated in the Planeset, and all the cool features like variable speeds and landing gear; but personally I like the look of the Planeset aircraft better, as it's more realistic. These remind me of LoMo's somewhat cartoony appearance. I know there's a lot of people that like TTD that way; and then, there are some people who go for superrealistic TTD graphics, like the North American buildings. Interesting that there are such totally different visions of how things should look.

And again, we run up against the limitations of number-of-aircraft. Eh, someday....

Personally, I'd have to disagree. IMO, Pikka's planes look A LOT more realistic than the Planeset ones, even if they are in CC. Case in point, the DC3... One of my favourites in the set, it actually looks like a DC3. Planeset has realistic liveries, yes... but AV8 has more realism overall as far as I'm concerned. It fits more w/the NA buildings than the Planeset does.

Once again, that's just one person's opinion.

[BobDendry]

Hmm. This set certainly has a very different feel of what the planes are supposed to look like. I find myself wishing that the coding work found here could be duplicated in the Planeset, and all the cool features like variable speeds and landing gear; but personally I like the look of the Planeset aircraft better, as it's more realistic. These remind me of LoMo's somewhat cartoony appearance. I know there's a lot of people that like TTD that way; and then, there are some people who go for superrealistic TTD graphics, like the North American buildings. Interesting that there are such totally different visions of how things should look.

And again, we run up against the limitations of number-of-aircraft. Eh, someday....

Personally, I'd have to disagree. IMO, Pikka's planes look A LOT more realistic than the Planeset ones, even if they are in CC. Case in point, the DC3... One of my favourites in the set, it actually looks like a DC3. Planeset has realistic liveries, yes... but AV8 has more realism overall as far as I'm concerned. It fits more w/the NA buildings than the Planeset does.

Once again, that's just one person's opinion.

Seconded. I find av8 set far better than the planeset, and this is reinforced by the fact that av8 won the best aircraft set award, and the planeset did not.

[habell]

robo, that is an a300 in both screenshots...

I'll try to post a screenie of an invisible plane

well, it should still appear in the plane list, and you should still be able to open its plane window, yes? Knowing which plane it is and when it disappears will be helpful to solving the problem.

I couldn't find the problem now, I've to start a new game to reproduce this problem. It seems this problem only occures with older planes. Mostly prop-planes, if I remember correctly. But I'll post again when I've a screenshot for you.

[Dave]

Hmm. This set certainly has a very different feel of what the planes are supposed to look like. I find myself wishing that the coding work found here could be duplicated in the Planeset, and all the cool features like variable speeds and landing gear; but personally I like the look of the Planeset aircraft better, as it's more realistic. These remind me of LoMo's somewhat cartoony appearance. I know there's a lot of people that like TTD that way; and then, there are some people who go for superrealistic TTD graphics, like the North American buildings. Interesting that there are such totally different visions of how things should look.

And again, we run up against the limitations of number-of-aircraft. Eh, someday....

Personally, I'd have to disagree. IMO, Pikka's planes look A LOT more realistic than the Planeset ones, even if they are in CC. Case in point, the DC3... One of my favourites in the set, it actually looks like a DC3. Planeset has realistic liveries, yes... but AV8 has more realism overall as far as I'm concerned. It fits more w/the NA buildings than the Planeset does.

Once again, that's just one person's opinion.

Thirded. There are a couple of aircraft in the Planeset that I really couldn't distinguish from another. Liveries are great - when they're applied to great aircraft. I just find Pikka's better.

[459]

I'm not willing to rank Planeset and AV8 directly against each other since I used to do some development work for the former in the past. However, I see that each set has their distinctive features, pros and cons that can be compared.

Planeset has:

* For over two years, Planeset was the ONLY aircraft set available. At the time I did the builds, all files related to the development were published as well in order to encourage people to start their own work without need to learn everything from scratch. After buildmaker changed, the files haven't published anymore, though.
* Graphical style more uniform with rest of the TTD world (albeit some rendered planes we had to include make the set look like a mish-mash of styles). Some of the models were recycled from TTD and many of the models were modified by hand based on TTD originals.
* Plane specifications and balancing have been given a lot of thought and research. When I tried AV8, I found that some bigger planes are too cheap to operate whereas smaller planes are so horridly expensive to operate that they are useless in the game.
* DaleStan. Enough said.

AV8 has:

* Incredible amount of work by single individual.
* Some advertised gfx/sound/coding features that don't exist in Planeset. Early development work of Planeset dates back to 2003/2004 anyway. AV8 is simply a newer product that utilises the advances made with TTDPatch.
* Graphical style based entirely on rendered models. Planes look more like real-world equipment. It is matter of preference whether hand-drawn sprites or pre-rendered sprites suit someone better. I prefer hand-drawn sprites over rendered because they preserve the TTD look better. However, I am/was a developer, thus my opinion is biased.

Both have:

* Plane sprites, that are more or less disproportional in size when compared against other planes in the game.

Let the audience decide.

[PikkaBird]

Hi all,

I'd just like to say that I'm not really interested in discussing which set is "better"; I don't think that does the community any good at all. Personally, I draw and code graphics sets because I enjoy doing it, and I'm sure the planeset team feel the same way. We're not competing by any stretch of the imagination.

When I tried AV8, I found that some bigger planes are too cheap to operate

I find this criticism a little odd, as the larger planes in av8 are, on average, one and a half times more expensive to run than their planeset counterparts. For example: 47k per year vs 24k for the 707; 60k vs 38k for the 747; 65k vs 41 for the A380.

In any case, if you're using OTTD I agree that the small aircraft are completely useless, since large maps and huge cities result in long routes with ridiculous numbers of passengers. Av8 was balanced for TTDP, where there aren't as many passengers available and often the smaller aircraft are the only economical choice.

[lobster]

I'd just like to say that I'm not really interested in discussing which set is "better"; I don't think that does the community any good at all. Personally, I draw and code graphics sets because I enjoy doing it, and I'm sure the planeset team feel the same way. We're not competing by any stretch of the imagination.

wise words here, which'll hopefully stop any kind of competitive comparing of any kind. there's two different sets; choose one. period.
if only thos worked as easily on OTTD<->TTDP discussions.


on a different note: how's the water planes coming along Pikka?

[krtaylor]

I wasn't intending to start a qualitative comparison that one is "better" than the other. The artistic sense of the Planeset is more to my personal taste; the art of AV8 is more to the taste of others. AV8 includes many advanced coding features that I just drool over. That's one of the great strengths of the TTD world - the very wide variety of choice and opportunity. If anyone thought I was attacking or criticising AV8, I am sorry, that was not my intent.

[PikkaBird]

on a different note: how's the water planes coming along Pikka?

Well, that's really up to the patch coders, not me. Once they are possible I'll get right on them.

[459]

When I tried AV8, I found that some bigger planes are too cheap to operate

I find this criticism a little odd, as the larger planes in av8 are, on average, one and a half times more expensive to run than their planeset counterparts. For example: 47k per year vs 24k for the 707; 60k vs 38k for the 747; 65k vs 41 for the A380.

I verified the statement about bigger planes and looks like I'll have to check my mushrooms. You are correct. Apparently I got confused between sets at some point while comparing. I guess it'll make sense to do some additional rebalancing for Planeset itself in order to encourage players to use all kinds of planes.

[DanMacK]

It's all a matter of personal preference. Stating which plane set is "better" is like saying which train set is better. Some prefer the DB set, some prefer UKRS, some Prefer the Canadian or USSet. Is any set better than the others? Not by any means. The style and gameplay of AV8 suits me better than the planeset does. Is this the same across the board? no. I like the older planes and AV8 has more of that than the planeset does.

I prefer AV8, you may not. Not a problem. the Planeset's an excellent set, so's AV8. I just prefer the latter.

Not time to play some TTD

[orudge]

Indeed, comparing them is in many ways a pointless exercise. Personally, I prefer the Planeset, although I do rather like the takeoff/landing graphics and the sound effects in AV8. It's just a matter of personal taste.

[nwa320]

hey any chance someone can make an A330 and/or a 757 for this set? It would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks in advance.

[canadianGREG]

hello!
yay my first post, how exiting! Im a long time user of this set and want to say thanks, ur sets awesome! Like nwa320 though i do miss some of the planes from the planeset, any chance we could make even a couple more. I dont know how to quote but he/she (nwa330) said in one of the posts that we could use the same space for more than one plane graphic, could that work?

[canadianGREG]

Hey,
Perhaps we could group together some aircraft to save slots... like have the A340 and A330 be a single plane, and you buy it as an A330 graphic but can refit it to "passengers(A340)" to get that graphic.

just found out how to quote!

[DaleStan]

Thanks. We all really needed to know that. Have you figured out how to edit an existing post yet?

[m3henry]

I like it the way it is, anyway, there will be more to come, when sea-plane-ports are availible.

EDIT: WEW! 1000th post! and I never noticed the tycoon bit

[PikkaBird]

This was requested by someone on IRC, for reasons best known to himself. I'm also planning to use it as the disaster helicopter in the next version of av8 (av8.1?).



Windows GRF
DOS GRF

There is a grf parameter which if set to 1 will make the helicopter dark green (for odd-numbered players) or grey (for even-numbered players) rather than company coloured. Except it won't in OTTD as the recolouring callback hasn't been implemented yet.

[Dave]

It'sa nice!

Have to like it.

[Redirect Left]

Very nice!

*Adds it to his server*