Updated extra-large-maps patch, version 12 (for r23992)
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch (for r10607)
Other possible maximum sizes:
32768x512
65536x256
131072x128
262144x64
512x32768
256x65536
128x131072
64x262144
They will be useful for creating really 'large' maps with the same size than a 4096x4096 map . However some can be not possible due to hardcoded limits (specially the 262144 ones).
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32768x512
65536x256
131072x128
262144x64
512x32768
256x65536
128x131072
64x262144
They will be useful for creating really 'large' maps with the same size than a 4096x4096 map . However some can be not possible due to hardcoded limits (specially the 262144 ones).
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch (for r10607)
You can have it with the patch. Even 16k*64 if you want :)7of9 wrote:16k*256 would be fun... :)
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch (for r10607)
Hmm ... I can try to raise the limit and see what weill work and what not. Although I am not sure whether the cordinates are not stores ad signed 16bit integer, so thats why I have stopped at 16K, which would safely fit. I think I'll try the higher sizes and figure out what the limits are :)UnderBuilder wrote:Other possible maximum sizes:
32768x512
65536x256
131072x128
262144x64
512x32768
256x65536
128x131072
64x262144
They will be useful for creating really 'large' maps with the same size than a 4096x4096 map :D. However some can be not possible due to hardcoded limits (specially the 262144 ones).
Good Bye.
I wonder which limit will cause the 262144 not to work while 131072 would work ...
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch (for r10607)
I tried raising the limit to 262144 tiles in one direction, so you can have 262144 x 64 map
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I have created a profitable line transporting people from one end of map all the way to the other. The concordes needed about 9 years to fly that distance (128 times larger than previously larges 2048 map), but at end of trip, they will earn 10 times their value ...
At end I ended up with 200 planes between these two points and it was still not enough to cover the route :)
I think I'll increase the limits a bit, 262144 x 64 seems to be perfectly playable :)
Loading works.
Saving works.
No problems notices so far.
I have created a profitable line transporting people from one end of map all the way to the other. The concordes needed about 9 years to fly that distance (128 times larger than previously larges 2048 map), but at end of trip, they will earn 10 times their value ...
At end I ended up with 200 planes between these two points and it was still not enough to cover the route :)
I think I'll increase the limits a bit, 262144 x 64 seems to be perfectly playable :)
If you need something, do it yourself or it will be never done.
My patches: Extra large maps (1048576 high, 1048576 wide) (FS#1059), Vehicle + Town + Industry console commands (FS#1060), few minor patches (FS#2820, FS#1521, FS#2837, FS#2843), AI debugging facility
Other: Very large ships NewGRF, Bilbo's multiplayer patch pack v5 (for OpenTTD 0.7.3)
My patches: Extra large maps (1048576 high, 1048576 wide) (FS#1059), Vehicle + Town + Industry console commands (FS#1060), few minor patches (FS#2820, FS#1521, FS#2837, FS#2843), AI debugging facility
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch (for r10607)
combine this with the wright AI and voilaBilbo wrote:I have created a profitable line transporting people from one end of map all the way to the other. The concordes needed about 9 years to fly that distance (128 times larger than previously larges 2048 map), but at end of trip, they will earn 10 times their value ...
At end I ended up with 200 planes between these two points and it was still not enough to cover the route
Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch (for r10607)
Won't work without modifying wrightAI, as wrightAI tends to sell planes if they don't make any profit in 2 years. This one is in slight losses for 8 years, but in ninth year, huge profit comes ....rav wrote: combine this with the wright AI and voila :P
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch (for r10607)
still, flying is probably the best way to make a profit on these maps as I can imagine it'll be hard to squeeze in efficient train networks on a 64 * 262144 tile mapBilbo wrote:Won't work without modifying wrightAI, as wrightAI tends to sell planes if they don't make any profit in 2 years. This one is in slight losses for 8 years, but in ninth year, huge profit comes ....
Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch (for r10607)
You can squeeze some networks in parts of it in addition to air routes.rav wrote:still, flying is probably the best way to make a profit on these maps as I can imagine it'll be hard to squeeze in efficient train networks on a 64 * 262144 tile mapBilbo wrote:Won't work without modifying wrightAI, as wrightAI tends to sell planes if they don't make any profit in 2 years. This one is in slight losses for 8 years, but in ninth year, huge profit comes ....
Track will need 2 tiles in average (one back, one forward traffic) and most station design can fit into 16 or 20 tiles width nicely, unless you create something really huge. But the hughest station I ever buolt was 48 tiles wide and needed 6 tracks (3 in each direction) so it can handle the traffic - so even such large thing can be built at some places and still leave some room to bypass it, you have 64 tiles width :)
Due to large distances I think you can have pretty profitable company there ...
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Other: Very large ships NewGRF, Bilbo's multiplayer patch pack v5 (for OpenTTD 0.7.3)
My patches: Extra large maps (1048576 high, 1048576 wide) (FS#1059), Vehicle + Town + Industry console commands (FS#1060), few minor patches (FS#2820, FS#1521, FS#2837, FS#2843), AI debugging facility
Other: Very large ships NewGRF, Bilbo's multiplayer patch pack v5 (for OpenTTD 0.7.3)
Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch, version 3 (for r10622)
Ok, new version is here, maps can now be 262144 tiles large in both directions!*
Also, GUI is fixed, because 6 digits was too wide for some comboboxes
* But not at once. Limit to 4096 *4096 tiles was kept intact from previous release
Edit: the patch was just submitted to FS, so hopefully it'll get to trunk soon (FS#1059)
Also, GUI is fixed, because 6 digits was too wide for some comboboxes
* But not at once. Limit to 4096 *4096 tiles was kept intact from previous release
Edit: the patch was just submitted to FS, so hopefully it'll get to trunk soon (FS#1059)
If you need something, do it yourself or it will be never done.
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Other: Very large ships NewGRF, Bilbo's multiplayer patch pack v5 (for OpenTTD 0.7.3)
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Other: Very large ships NewGRF, Bilbo's multiplayer patch pack v5 (for OpenTTD 0.7.3)
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch, version 4 (for r10634)
9 years! (Breakdowns enabled?)
And I thought it was already too much for 16K map. And some were protesting not to have normal but reduced speed like original game for planes: so it would take 36 years!
And I thought it was already too much for 16K map. And some were protesting not to have normal but reduced speed like original game for planes: so it would take 36 years!
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch, version 4 (for r10634)
Breakdowns disabled ... and speed was reduced not to 1/4 but 1/12.5 (in 0.5.x, perhaps it was 1/4 in orig. game) ... so in 0.5.2 that trip would need 112 years to fly the distance :)athanasios wrote:9 years! :shock: (Breakdowns enabled?)
And I thought it was already too much for 16K map. And some were protesting not to have normal but reduced speed like original game for planes: so it would take 36 years! :lol:
Time to make new scramjet planes to fully take advantage of these distances :)
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch, version 4 (for r10634)
I tried 262144 x 64 , but it seems huge overkill for your patch as it took me about 2 minutes to scroll from one side to the other side of the map...(After it took me 5 min to generate the map.) Although minimap zoom may suddenly become neccesary to be able to reasenably play the game.
For playability, I suggest you make the bigger than 4096x4096 map options a patch option. Something like, "Enable insane map sizes".
For playability, I suggest you make the bigger than 4096x4096 map options a patch option. Something like, "Enable insane map sizes".
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch, version 4 (for r10634)
I will not like that - imagine if someone tries to create a 262144 x 262144 map! His computer will blow! LOL.NukeBuster wrote:For playability, I suggest you make the bigger than 4096x4096 map options a patch option. Something like, "Enable insane map sizes".
Well, so 262144x64 is too big... why not try 65536x64 maximum (4194304 tiles), which is the same as a 2048x2048 game? That will be much better, as I will not use 262144 tiles long / high maps. 65536 is already insane so better stick there .
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch, version 4 (for r10634)
You still can't create a bigger map than 4096*4096 with this patch. as it is limited to a max number of tiles.UnderBuilder wrote: I will not like that - imagine if someone tries to create a 262144 x 262144 map! His computer will blow! LOL.
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch, version 4 (for r10634)
I still don't know why you people want such big maps, I personally find 512x512 really big for singleplayer already and quite fine for multiplayer.
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch, version 4 (for r10634)
This is not necessary. If you dislike "insane map sizes" you just pick sizes you consider to be "reasonable". There is no point for having option to hide the few sizes from the combobox.NukeBuster wrote:I tried 262144 x 64 , but it seems huge overkill for your patch as it took me about 2 minutes to scroll from one side to the other side of the map...(After it took me 5 min to generate the map.) Although minimap zoom may suddenly become neccesary to be able to reasenably play the game.
For playability, I suggest you make the bigger than 4096x4096 map options a patch option. Something like, "Enable insane map sizes".
And if you try too big size (like 262144 x 262144) you are warned that this is too much ... and you have to reselect some more reasonable size (so your computer doesn't blow :)
If you need something, do it yourself or it will be never done.
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Other: Very large ships NewGRF, Bilbo's multiplayer patch pack v5 (for OpenTTD 0.7.3)
My patches: Extra large maps (1048576 high, 1048576 wide) (FS#1059), Vehicle + Town + Industry console commands (FS#1060), few minor patches (FS#2820, FS#1521, FS#2837, FS#2843), AI debugging facility
Other: Very large ships NewGRF, Bilbo's multiplayer patch pack v5 (for OpenTTD 0.7.3)
Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch, version 4 (for r10634)
With 262144x64 maximum you are still free to choose any smaller size if you wish. If you think 65536x64 is the right size, pick it and ignore the larges sizes ... but keep the option for people who like them :)UnderBuilder wrote:I will not like that - imagine if someone tries to create a 262144 x 262144 map! His computer will blow! LOL.NukeBuster wrote:For playability, I suggest you make the bigger than 4096x4096 map options a patch option. Something like, "Enable insane map sizes".
Well, so 262144x64 is too big... why not try 65536x64 maximum (4194304 tiles), which is the same as a 2048x2048 game? That will be much better, as I will not use 262144 tiles long / high maps. 65536 is already insane so better stick there :).
It's about choice - who like large maps can have it. Who dislike large map ... simply pick any smaller size and be happy :)
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Other: Very large ships NewGRF, Bilbo's multiplayer patch pack v5 (for OpenTTD 0.7.3)
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch, version 4 (for r10634)
XeryusTC wrote:I still don't know why you people want such big maps, I personally find 512x512 really big for singleplayer already and quite fine for multiplayer.
I think we should start creating some big scenarios to convince you! Problem is they need centuries to make, especially when we don't use the generator.
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch, version 4 (for r10634)
They can be quite easily created from heightmap. Just add some cities and industries :)athanasios wrote::shock:XeryusTC wrote:I still don't know why you people want such big maps, I personally find 512x512 really big for singleplayer already and quite fine for multiplayer.
I think we should start creating some big scenarios to convince you! Problem is they need centuries to make, especially when we don't use the generator.
If you need something, do it yourself or it will be never done.
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Other: Very large ships NewGRF, Bilbo's multiplayer patch pack v5 (for OpenTTD 0.7.3)
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Re: Updated extra-large-maps patch, version 4 (for r10634)
What until now no one has come up with a great use for this patch?
I am surprised.
Extra-large maps Patch
+ Daylength Patch
+ Needed Economy Patches
+ Very much needed optimizations
+ Huge and accurate map of the World
= World Of Transport Tycoon MMORTS (hundreds of companies.. hundreds of players etc)
Well seriously.. eventually we may get to this point if we solve obvious issues like the need to download a full map every time a user connects to a server.
I am surprised.
Extra-large maps Patch
+ Daylength Patch
+ Needed Economy Patches
+ Very much needed optimizations
+ Huge and accurate map of the World
= World Of Transport Tycoon MMORTS (hundreds of companies.. hundreds of players etc)
Well seriously.. eventually we may get to this point if we solve obvious issues like the need to download a full map every time a user connects to a server.
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