Economics patch?

[Doclouis]

Hello there,
I still play two savegames I have started years ago. My favourite one is from 1995
As years go by, there's one problem that grows even bigger: Money. I know, there's this money cheat, but it really annoys me, to use this signcheat - my trains are always full of passengers, travel times are optimized, but still the trains don't make any profit. It's really dump in my North American scenario with the doubledecker Sunset Highspeed Train.
Maybe this is an error, that occured when using the year-cheat? I often use it to have different liveries.
Is there some cheat / patch I can use to improve the economics?

[DaleStan]

Are the trains themselves not making a profit, or is it that the profit is not making its way to your bank account?

[Doclouis]

depends on the scenario..
US: when a train stops (all seats laid out), it makes profit, but when you click on the train's information, non makes profit through the year.
Germany: Most trains make profit over the year. After all, the company still loses money.

I have no idea. Maybe the trains just don't make enough profit. But what more can you want as an always full-of-passengers highspeed train w/ double deckers?

[khamura]

Compare the income against the running costs. It does happen, especially with the faster, more expensive trains, that the costs of running long high-speed trains on short trips is not worth it as the income incurred for short-range transportation of passengers is relatively low.

[Doclouis]

Yes, I know this. Within the first years of these savegames, the trains made enough money. Now, the doubldecker highspeed trains run from edge to edge, some have just one stop in between. They don't make enough money though
I guess something happended to the savegames' economy when using the year-cheat too often?!?

[PikkaBird]

It would be a lot easier for us to help work out what the problem is if you posted a savegame and config.

[uzurpator]

I think it would be easier if you turned off (unload) order.

[Doclouis]

There's no unload option activated. Ok, I easily can upload the savegames. But how do I upload the configs? Do you think of a specific file?

[aahz77]

Do you think of a specific file?

That should be your patch config file (usually named ttdpatch.cfg) (along with the info which patch version you're using), and your NewGRF config file (usally named newgrf[w].cfg).

[Doclouis]

all right, here we go. first the German scenario

[Doclouis]

... US scenario

[Raichase]

Having downloaded the Germany map, it would certainly appear that you're using trains that are too expensive for the routes they are on. However, I can't see why they are making such a masive loss...

One example - you don't need dual V160's to haul a 6-car passenger train.

[Doclouis]

I know, double-headed trains have more costs. But: in Germany, Intercity trains, running on non-electrified routes, are usuallyhauled by two engines. Also, it just looks cooler than one engine.
Still, these trains have been making good profit for years until some months ago. That's why I gues, there must be a bug when using year-cheats and/or editing a running savegame with the scenario editor (for example for making a new city).
What's interesting as well, is that trams and buses now never make enough money fora profitable company.

[Gremnon]

If it's only recently started to lose money, you might want to investigate the stations they're servicing, and the towns for them too. It might be that the town expanded away from the station (like some of the towns in my games seem to like doing to me).

[Pookey]

If you modified the save with Owen's editor or the scenario editor it's possible you 'corrupted' the save (not so it doesn't work) and the game is stuffing up cause you did something wrong?

[Doclouis]

That's what I guess, that the save is somehow corrupted by using the editor oder cheats.

[Doclouis]

If you modified the save with Owen's editor or the scenario editor it's possible you 'corrupted' the save (not so it doesn't work) and the game is stuffing up cause you did something wrong?

So what could be a solution for the problem? The trains in both savegames made good profit for years, the companies never had problems. Suddenly they don't. I just don't want to use the money-cheat every 30 minutes..
All vehicles besides some trains now make a loss - to stop losing money, I would have to sell all buses, trams, ships, and planes... and most of the trains

[Pookey]

If you stuffed it that way, you'll need to use a save from before you did the modifications, unfortunately.

[Doclouis]

That's a new problem: I don't have any

[Doclouis]

Hmm, still don't have a company making profit. Is it possible to use TTDAlter to change the vehicles' running costs? How? I tried it, but can only change original vehicles