Important development decision

[bobingabout]

The thing is American english is the english usage that is the most common around the world. Most electronic disctionarys unless told to use british english will default to american english. Most programming languages as well prefer to use american english.

I'm a british Electronics Engineer, i'll stick to British english. main thing you have to remember is american theary is reversed(as in different from english, not backwards in general, if anything its more correct.), british teach traditional current flow, posative to negative, where american teaches electron current flow, negative to posative.

Therfore in code I suggest american english is used for the code (after all how many people apart from dev's/patch makers will ever read the code), and for on screen the american and british language packs choose the correct/most common format.

code i agree should be american, this is because the english programming language origin is america. (blame bill gates for creating the monopoly)

Of course I find it intresting at the moment, because at the time of posting this 40 votes had been posted, and 20 were for "randomize" and 20 for "randomise".

notice the "I'm British" section, its 12:5 for iSe.

[jez]

Notice the "I developed the patch" section, it's 1:0 for iZe.

English in OpenTTD is British English, as there is a separate American English translation. Therefor it would be most logical to use British English should be the language that is chosen for variable names, functions, string name, constants, comments etc.

Well that's not the case; US-English is used for variable names, etc. So you'll have something like this in the default 'English' language pack:

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STR_7005_COLOR_SCHEME                                           :{BLACK}Colour Scheme
STR_FACE_RANDOMIZE                                              :{BLACK}Randomise

Fun, eh?

Oh, and 'S' might be a 'friendlier' letter than 'Z', but 'Z' is way cooler. And its phonetic sound is far more appropriate to the word's pronunciation.

[richk67]

The thing is American english is the english usage that is the most common around the world.

Nope, sorry. There are more English speakers in India than in the rest of the world, and they use British English. American English just *thinks* it is more common... it is, but just not in that meaning of common

[Ailure]

Can be said that they tend to usually learn UK English in Swedish schools. Expection would be people who self-learnt English from american shows.

[bobingabout]

Oh, and 'S' might be a 'friendlier' letter than 'Z', but 'Z' is way cooler. And its phonetic sound is far more appropriate to the word's pronunciation.

not the way i pronounce it.

[Born Acorn]

Me neither. Are you a bee by any chance?

[Redirect Left]

I was told to vote for "ize" so i did, let it be known that was not my choice.

[Bot_40]

I hope the reason for the distinction between british and non-british votes is so that the british votes can be weighted 4:1 against the non-british

[Brianetta]

I posted before, so I'm not going to repeat what I said then, but I do find it odd that so many people think that -ize is an Americanism. It isn't. It's ours. We also use -ise (probably so that we don't have to remember that excercise never has a z). The only difference is, the Americans never do. It's actually a French form of the suffix.

richk67, your work as a technical writer doesn't lend weight to which is more correct. It only lends weight to which of the two correct choices your publisher insists on. If you wrote for the Oxford University Press, for example, you'd be using -ize throughout.

[richk67]

True, you always write either to "house" rules, or in the style that best communicates to your audience. The link you included on the origins of -ise and -ize endings is clear though - for British English, there *is* a definitive correct way of spelling each of the words. Other forms are acceptable, but only one is technically correct.

I dont think its a matter of *choice* for randomise/randomize; there is a correct answer. Its just I am not quite sure which it is! Who knows they may now be equal.

[bobingabout]

i think you should do what was sugested somewhere earlier, use ise on the english language pack, and ize in the american pack. also, ize in code.

[Brianetta]

i think you should do what was sugested somewhere earlier, use ise on the english language pack, and ize in the american pack. also, ize in code.

That's because you believe that -ise is correct British English. This is exactly the point that's being discussed.

[richk67]

i think you should do what was sugested somewhere earlier, use ise on the english language pack, and ize in the american pack. also, ize in code.

OK, I'll put this as a simple(ish) summary:

-ise: correct for some words in British English. not correct in American.
-ize: correct for some words in British English. correct for American.

The problem is determining *which* words require the different forms in British English.

[hertogjan]

Personally, I like the s forms better than the z forms.
Maybe because I'm Dutch, and in Dutch the s forms are (since 1995) the only allowed forms. Prior to 1995, the z forms were not forbidden, although the s forms were the preferred spelling.
In fact, I prefer to use British English (or should I say English English?). I'm European, and therefore I prefer to use European languages whenever possible. In my opinion, American English spelling is even worse than British English spelling (which is already horrible, honestly).

[Gorre]

And the winner is ... :\

[Born Acorn]

That isn't very accurate, seeing as there's more Americans on the web than those who'd use "ise".

[fabca2]

I was wondering which question devs were asking us for this pool ? which patch to include ? which PF ?....
But it's just to define a vocabulary question...

By the way, I don't see the problem,
"Z" is accepted by Both UK and US
"S" is accepted only in UK
the obvious is to take "Z"
no need to start a fight US vs UK like I've seen few post below...

[orudge]

For the British English translation, use -ise suffixes. For the American English version, use -ize. Simple.

[DaleStan]

Aren't we talking about the names of functions, not the contents of the langage files?

[Brianetta]

For the British English translation, use -ise suffixes. For the American English version, use -ize. Simple.

Somebody made that claim earlier... heheh.