Stupid Question but .. how do you use the patch???

rotafanatic · Post by **rotafanatic** » 06 Oct 2005 23:03

This is most probably a stupid question to you all but, how do you use it?

How do i make pre-signals, change my monorail tracks to maglev in one go, electrified railways etc. ???

I have the Windows 95 version of TTD with a patch to get it working on XP.

Can someone please help me im really lost

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 06 Oct 2005 23:11

http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Manual

Or more specifically:
http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Presignals
http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php ... edRailways
http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=SignCheats
http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php ... lsDetailed
http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php ... Conversion

rotafanatic · Post by **rotafanatic** » 06 Oct 2005 23:12

Damn that was fast, thanks heaps!

rotafanatic · Post by **rotafanatic** » 07 Oct 2005 01:33

Okay .. call me dumb but i still don't get it.

Switches << what are these??? How do i use them??? It says what configuration file and command line to use for each cheat but where do i put the command line/ what do i do with it to use the cheat/ turn it on/off.

Thanks, and sorry lol

Rob · Post by **Rob** » 07 Oct 2005 05:48

If you run the patch, that is execute ttdpatchw.exe, the patch creates a file called ttdpatch.cfg.
Open this file with notepad and you'll see all the switches in there with a little comment on how to use them. If you don't understand one of them look in the Wiki for a better explanaition.
New graphics are used by placing them in a subdirectory of the TTD directory called newgrf.
To get them loaded into the patch make a new text file, again with notepad, and make a line for each graphicset that you want as follows :

newgrf/dbstexlw.grf
newgrf/nsignalsw.grf
newgrf/canalsw.grf
etc,etc......

Save this file as newgrf.cfg.
Then after starting ttdpatchw.exe go to the wrench icon, click on it with the left mousebutton, jhold the mousebutton and mouse the cursor to "New graphics status" then release the mousebutton.
In the window that opens you can activate the graphics you want by clicking on the red flag in front of the name and click "apply".
To deactivate a graphic click on the green flag to make it red and also click "apply".
The blue flags can't be changed ingame, you have to go back to windows and remove the entry from newgrf.cfg for that.
Have fun TTDPatching.

Prebral · Post by **Prebral** » 07 Oct 2005 06:26

You may also try to use TTDX Configurator, which may be downloaded here:
http://www.divxland.org/ttd/ttdsolutions.htm
It enables you to edit config files via a nice GUI, shows some hints and also autoupdates the Patch and itself.
It is however sometimes not considered to be 1337, because of some aspects of it's behaviour - mainly rewriting parts of .cfg files automatically. I use it and like it, but not everyone I know does so, many people prefer to have full controll of the .cfg and use notepad only. Anyway, it is better to backup your .cfg files if you made some changes to them before.

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 07 Oct 2005 06:53

Prebral wrote:You may also try to use TTDX Configurator

NOOOOOooooooo......... <fades/>

Unless it has been updated since I last complained (and it doesn't appear that it has), it's missing a rather important bit in morebuildoptions. Specifically enhancedbuoys.
It's also missing bulldozesignals, which altough not important, is a nice feature.
(Hm... the latter is not documented. Must fix.)

Andrex · Post by **Andrex** » 12 Oct 2005 06:47

Hahaha... why don't you accept your defeat already?

No one is to learn how to open, edit, configure, save, and manage CFG files on his own, and it's proven that some users don't find it out even after asking in these forums repeated times.

Honestly, to avoid scaring people away, stop linking to the wiki and the manuals, and post a link to GUI tools such as TTDX Configurator; despite of being imprecise with morebuildoption and... whatever swicthes you say, it makes it work, or better said, it makes it possible.

Post by **WWTBAM** » 12 Oct 2005 06:55

fine put it in the wiki and link to that

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 12 Oct 2005 09:33

Andrex wrote:No one is to learn how to open, edit, configure, save, and manage CFG files on his own, and it's proven that some users don't find it out even after asking in these forums repeated times.

Hi! I'm No one. Nice to meet you.

I configured TTDPatch by hand the very first time I ran it. I opened the auto-generated config file, I read through it, I edited it to my liking (looking things up in the manual (the plaintext version -- none of this fancy wiki stuff back then) as necessary), I saved it, and found things to my liking.

I spent a brief time being "lazy" and using TTDXC, but realized it was more work than editing the file by hand, not less. TTDXC has never since touched my production config.

Post by **WWTBAM** » 12 Oct 2005 10:01

same with me

Patchman · Post by **Patchman** » 12 Oct 2005 12:47

DaleStan wrote:I spent a brief time being "lazy" and using TTDXC, but realized it was more work than editing the file by hand, not less. TTDXC has never since touched my production config.

It's also more work for me when I have to deal with all the emails from people being unable to activate "enhancedbuoys" and "bulldozesignals".

Until the bitswitch problems are fixed, I will refuse to acknowledge TTDXC's existence. Not only are people unable to set the switches with TTDXC, but if they add them to the ttdpatch.cfg manually, TTDXC will delete them the next time it's started.

That's just unacceptable. Unacceptable.

Andrex · Post by **Andrex** » 12 Oct 2005 16:31

Patchman wrote:It's also more work for me when I have to deal with all the emails from people being unable to activate "enhancedbuoys" and "bulldozesignals".

You wouldn't receive such emails if you added those switches to the updates file in your server, it seems you forgot about TTDXC's ability to add new switches automatically.

Not only are people unable to set the switches with TTDXC, but if they add them to the ttdpatch.cfg manually, TTDXC will delete them the next time it's started.

Unacceptable is to post based on outdated information such as that. Latest version, from weeks ago, does not delete additional switches by any reason whatsoever. Please check for updates often, TTDXC has the ability to auto update itselft if you approve it.

Patchman · Post by **Patchman** » 12 Oct 2005 17:14

Andrex wrote:
Patchman wrote:It's also more work for me when I have to deal with all the emails from people being unable to activate "enhancedbuoys" and "bulldozesignals".
You wouldn't receive such emails if you added those switches to the updates file in your server, it seems you forgot about TTDXC's ability to add new switches automatically.

That file is updated automatically every time I upload the patch. It uses TTDPatch's built-in switches.xml, so it cannot be wrong. Maybe you should too.

However, the "enhancedbuoys" setting is in bit 6 or morebuildoptions, which is not a new switch. Therefore it does not appear in the updates file (although if you suggest a good format to show new bit switches there, I can easily change that).

Since it's almost trivial now to detect what bits are defined in any bit switch (using switches.xml), it should be feasible for TTDXC to correctly deal with and preserve bits that it does not know about, instead of consistently deleting them when the file is saved.

And it does that in the latest version available from your website. Now can you please stop claiming that your software isn't broken?

Or else, show me a way to enable morebuildoptions.enhancedbuoys in a way that preserves it even if TTDXC is called and the .cfg is saved, and I will apologize.

Not only are people unable to set the switches with TTDXC, but if they add them to the ttdpatch.cfg manually, TTDXC will delete them the next time it's started.
Unacceptable is to post based on outdated information such as that. Latest version, from weeks ago, does not delete additional switches by any reason whatsoever. Please check for updates often, TTDXC has the ability to auto update itselft if you approve it.

Except, apparently, for switches that are bits of an existing switch. Or switches that are written in the form "morebuildoptions.enhancedbuoys on". Or switches that take zero as argument, like "multihead 0" (which is required for proper operation of the DBSetXL but cannot be set using TTDXC).

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 12 Oct 2005 20:28

Patchman wrote:Or switches that take zero as argument, like "multihead 0"

Actually, that can be set in TTDXC. For some reason that I cannot fathom, "multihead 0" => "multihead=off", but "multihead=0" is properly preserved. Unfortunately, the latter is the format that TTDXC uses internally.

I cannot get morebuildoptions.enhancedbuoys to turn on either.
Even if I add it to the Additional Switches section, running "ttdpatch -!T- -W ttdpatch.cfg" reveals that the line "morebuildoptions=(number below 64)" overrides it.

/me restores his config file backups.

Andrex · Post by **Andrex** » 13 Oct 2005 00:55

To mantain backwards compatibility, I always tried to avoid the XML whenever possible. This has proven to be inappropiate to stay up to date.

I'll make more use of the XML from now on, for example all apha/beta swicthes will get its info from the XML, but an important GUI redesign is pending to accomodate all new switches.

spaceman-spiff · Post by **spaceman-spiff** » 13 Oct 2005 03:42

Boys, boys, dont start this in every single problem topic, I'm getting a headache from reading duplicate posts

For god sakes finish this discussion in a real topic

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