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Snail wrote:Anyway, since the info seems very hard to find, can't you just make up some reasonable values and release them? You might change them later, when (if) you can collect that piece of information... otherwise your work would stop!
I have lots of things to do. I can wait
Snail wrote:It's the Lancia Esatau 864. If you decide to draw this, a good idea would be to slip the Steyr to the 1949 slot, modeling the 380 diesel version, for which you already have the pics (it would be a smaller and cheaper alternative).
Well, looks not bad. I'll think about adding it into the TODO list
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goalie wrote:hi george since michael release his new industries your trucks can carry his new products but only 0 tons of them could you fix this
Yes, I can do it. But I'm waiting until someone will find me required info about ikaruses 620 (I mean for IC 620, IC 622)
Sorry George, we did not forget about your request, it's just that it's really hard finding about those buses, and we weren't able to find info yet. Gl2 also asked your question around on various Ikarus forums, but noone answered yet.

OTOH we still stink the doubledecker IK620 picture is either a mock-up, or an experiment, but in reality it was never built.
So you can try inventing data for it.
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2. Ikarus 620 1960-70.-ndatest

Ikarus 620, pikkus 9348 mm, shassii “Csepel”, mootori võimsus 106 kW. Bussis oli 20 iste- ja 40 seisukohta, tipptundidel võttis buss peale kuni 100 inimest. TAK-is olid bussid kasutusel 50-ndatest kuni 70-ndate aastate alguseni.
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Hi George,
I had a look at your tracking table and I noticed that the Mercedes LP still occupies two slots: when (if) you decide to migrate it to version 3 3/4, shrinking it to one slot, which one are you planning to put it in? 1963 or 1965?

I'm asking this because I was thinking about a model to add to the set, in the 1960 slot: it's the Fiat 690. I find it cool because it was one of the first trucks featuring two steering axles; "single" versions (without trailers or semitrailers) could have up to four axles, which made them quite massive, and with some trailers they even reached a maximum of 8 axles. I see that until now, in your set, we don't have any trucks with that feature. (Btw, the two-steering axle scheme is now being adopted again by some constructors, after so many years).
Here are some pictures: a three-axle basic version, a four axle with a trailer and a model.

I'm aware that you have lots of projects right now which take priority, but do you think you might be interested once these are done? It could add a touch of novelty to your set. I happen to have drawings and info of these things, too.

Hope you're not fed up with me ;)
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goalie wrote:hi george since michael release his new industries your trucks can carry his new products but only 0 tons of them could you fix this
Yes, I can do it. But I'm waiting until someone will find me required info about ikaruses 620 (I mean for IC 620, IC 622)
Sorry George, we did not forget about your request, it's just that it's really hard finding about those buses, and we weren't able to find info yet. Gl2 also asked your question around on various Ikarus forums, but noone answered yet.
:( I wanted them
Szappy wrote:OTOH we still think the doubledecker IK620 picture is either a mock-up, or an experiment, but in reality it was never built.
I think the same. But I drew it already, so, why not to use it? We can call it "prototype" in the name and make it available only in the last year of the IK620 production.
Szappy wrote:So you can try inventing data for it.
Well, I'll suggest you to invent them. Remember, you need to invest power, weight, cost, running cost, because now I use the info about articulated version as the bus class info in general (because I do not have required callbacks to set the right values).
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Snail wrote:Hi George,
I had a look at your tracking table and I noticed that the Mercedes LP still occupies two slots: when (if) you decide to migrate it to version 3 3/4
As soon as I have time to do it. It is a low priority task now
Snail wrote:shrinking it to one slot, which one are you planning to put it in? 1963 or 1965?
I can do anything. What do we miss?
Snail wrote:I'm asking this because I was thinking about a model to add to the set, in the 1960 slot: it's the Fiat 690. I find it cool because it was one of the first trucks featuring two steering axles; "single" versions (without trailers or semitrailers) could have up to four axles, which made them quite massive, and with some trailers they even reached a maximum of 8 axles. I see that until now, in your set, we don't have any trucks with that feature. (Btw, the two-steering axle scheme is now being adopted again by some constructors, after so many years).
Very interesting. I should have a look
Snail wrote:I'm aware that you have lots of projects right now which take priority, but do you think you might be interested once these are done? It could add a touch of novelty to your set. I happen to have drawings and info of these things, too.
They are welcome
Snail wrote:Hope you're not fed up with me ;)
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Hi George,

since you're still talking to me, ;) I'll summarize here the specs of the models I suggested you. Glad to hear you like the Fiat 690, I'm sending you some pics of it as well.
You can keep this info as reference, to use when (if) you decide to include these models into your set.


Lancia Esatau 864
Description: Main vehicle. 4x2 truck. Produced in two lengths.
Produced: 1947-1957 (can start in 1945 in TTD, as the project was earlier and was stopped by the outbreak of the war, and be produced until 1957, when International RDF takes over - the Steyr can't replace it)
Power: 122HP
Max speed: 60 km/h
Wheelbase: 4300 mm (short version), 5000 mm (normal version)
Space in front of front axle: 1232 mm
Space behind rear axle: 1500 mm
Length: 7470 mm (short version), 8170 mm (normal version)
Width: 2470 mm
Height: 2535 mm
Weight: 6800 kg
Capacity: 8500 kg

Lancia Esatau 964
Description: 6x2 variant of 864 (one additional rear axle, unpowered)
Wheelbase: 5625 mm
Length: 9560 mm
Width: 2500 mm
Weight: 7300 kg
Capacity: 9000 kg

Lancia Esatau 864 Tractor
Description: 4x2 tractor variant for semitrailers.
Length: 5532 mm
Wheelbase: 3300 mm
Width: 2480 mm
Height: 2535 mm
Weight: 6520 kg
Max semitrailer weight: 22000 kg

Possible cargo combinations:
Bulk freight (coal, iron ore, grain etc) on open three-axle Esatau 964.
Liquid goods (oil, chemicals, goods) on Esatau 864 with trailer (see pic). Trailer should have 3 axles.
Wood and plywood on Esatau 864 with trailer
Steel and paper on semitrailers, pulled by Esatau 864 tractor
Livestock on Esatau 864 with 3-axle trailers (this trailer should have the third axle in the center, see pic)
Valuables on short version of Esatau 864. Similar for mail.
Food ref on short version of Esatau 864.
Water tanker on short version of Esatau 864.
Goods: play with imagination. I would suggest: Esatau 964 with tarp: closed van version of Esatau 864 (see pic): closed semitrailer pulled by Esatau 864 tractor; open Esatau 864 with trailer with colored old style containers.

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Steyr 380
Description: Main vehicle, 4x2, two wheelbases and a tractor version for semitrailers. Longer wheelbase version can be a van (see pic)
Produced: 1949-1960
Power: 90HP
Wheelbase: 3710 mm (short version), 4200 mm (standard version), 3260 mm (tractor version)
Length: 6265 (short version), 7045 (standard version), 5255 mm (tractor version)
Width: 2200 mm
Height: 2127 mm
Weight: 5725 kg (short version), 5785 (long version), 6265 (tractor version)
Max speed: 73km/h
Capacity: 5000 kg

Possible cargo combinations:
Bulk freight (coal, iron ore, grain etc.): short open version.
Liquid cargo (oil, chemicals, goods): tractor + one-axle semitrailer (see pic)
Wood on tractor + rear single axle (Opel Blitz style)
Plywood on short (or standard) version with trailer if you like
Steel on open semitrailer pulled by the tractor
Paper on open standard version with trailer
Livestock on standard version
Valuables in the van version, same for mail
Food ref on long version, or on semitrailer pulled by the tractor
Water tank on semitrailer pulled by the tractor
Goods: use your imagination... I'd say: tarp version of standard wheelbase; closed van; open semitrailer for machinery; open standard version + trailer for early containers.

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Fiat 690N/690T
Description: Main vehicle. 6x2 or 8x2 truck (two front steering axles, one rear powered axle, one optional rear unpowered axle), comes in two sizes and a tractor. Hauls most of the TTD cargo and can have trailers or semitrailers attached.
Produced: 1960-1967 (this is relative to the first version: in TTD, we can make it available until, say, 1972, to represent it until its latest version)
Power: 180HP
Max speed: 64Km/h
Wheelbase: 1485+3900 mm (Long version), 1485+3000 mm (Short version), 1485+2340 mm (T tractor version)
The data above refers to 3-axle model. Long version was also available in a 4-axle configuration. Length was untouched and one axle more was put right in front of last axle (so the wheelbase changed).
Space in front of front axle: 1310 mm (All)
Space behind rear axle: 1565 mm (Long and Short), 960 mm (T tractor version)
Length: 8260 mm (Long version), 7160 mm (Short version), 6095 mm (T tractor version)
Width: 2500 mm (All)
Height: 2640 mm (All)
Weight: 7500 kg (Long version), 7300 kg (Short version)
Capacity: 10700 kg (Long version), 10500 kg (Short version)
3-axle trailer capacity: 18000 kg
4-axle trailer capacity: 22000 kg
6x2 version available (two steering axles), 8x2 available for the long version (one extra rear axle)

Fiat 682N/682T
Description: Earlier version of 690, 4x2 or 6x2 (one front steering axle, one rear powered axle, one optional rear unpowered axle), comes in three sizes and a tractor. Ought to be in the set to transport lighter stuff. Can have trailers attached.
Produced: 1955-1963 (earlier version with only one steering axle)
Wheelbase: 2926 (T tractor version), 3590 (Short version), 4000 (Normal version), 4870 (Long version) (All refer to 2-axle model)

Fiat 693
Description: 6x4 version of the 690 (one steering axle, two powered axles), comes both as a truck (693N) and a tractor (693T)
Produced: same as 690
Wheelbase: 4000

Possible cargo combinations
Bulk, heavy freight like coal and iron ore should be transported by sturdy 3-axle 6x4 693's (one steering axle), or by a 690T with the correct semitrailer (pic called Fiat_690T_semi_bulk.jpg). Maybe iron ore by the 693 and coal by 690T, or a random combo.
Grain should be transported by proper silos. I've got a pic of a 682 with trailer with grain containers (the front is an old version, it's there just to give you the idea). A two-axled 682 with a three-axle trailer (like the pic) would do the trick.
Liquid goods need tankers. You can implement many variants here. In the pics you see a long 4-axle 690N pulling a 4-axle trailer; a short 3-axle 690N pulling a trailer (should be 3-axle as well): a 690T pulling a 2-axle semitrailer; and two short 682's. The last two could be good for drinkable water, while the first three can do the job for oil, chemicals, and goods.
Wood can be transported in semitrailers, 3-axle ones should be fine. A two-axle 682T or a three-axle 690T would pull them. There's also a pic of a 682 with trailer transporting wood, though. Plywood, on the other hand, could be transported with 690N's with trailers. In the pictures you find a long, 4-axle 690N with a 4-axle trailer and a short, 3-axle 690N with a 3-axle trailer.
Like wood, steel could transported on semitrailers, maybe pulled by a three-axle 690T. Same for paper.
Livestock would require trailers. There is a model of a 2-axle short 682, you can draw other models too if you prefer; a trailer should be attached.
Valuables need a lighter truck. I'd suggest to draw a 2-axle short 682.
Goods: here you can unleash your imagination. You have lots of pics. Variants which ought to be there are: the heavy machinery transporter (there's a pic of an excavator pulled by a massive 6x4 693T); the two-axle car transporter with different bodywork; the four-axle 690N flatbed transporter with no trailer for containers; some trucks with tarp (with or without trailer); a closed semitrailer (can be used for mail, too).
If you want to draw a food ref for arctic/tropic, I'd suggest to draw a white closed semitrailer pulled by a three-axle 690T.
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Since here there's the limit to three files per message, I'm afraid I'll have to do a triple post... sorry!!! :oops:
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Last post... whew!

EDIT: the server's crash killed the attachments, do you need me to repost them?
RE-EDIT: say, attch's are back from the dead... nevermind...
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All the LVs are v3 3/4 now. They support fish, food, beer, petrol, tourists now. I'll upload them as soon as I change the cost and running cost for tourists buses. I'll also try to invent some info for Ikarus 620, but it has to be changed later.
I suppose it would be done done in the evening. May be I'll upload trucks sooner.
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Files were uploaded. Urgently need testing.
To test petrol and tourist you can use the file in the new cargos topic. But that file is a test file only! Do not use it on your saves! Use it only on test games. It ususally crashes the game after about 1975 (or later).
Or take it here
http://ttd.cernun.net/download/NewCargo ... ristsw.rar for win
http://ttd.cernun.net/download/NCPT.rar for DOS
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why handels the patch your tourists as a truck good and the touristbusses as trucks
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goalie wrote:why handels the patch your tourists as a truck good and the touristbusses as trucks
Because only passengers are recognized as bus cargo. I can replace passengers or make tourists a trucks cargo. I choosed the second. I hope devs could fix this in the future.
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i have a prob the tourist accepting buildings do not genarate tourists
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goalie wrote:i have a prob the tourist accepting buildings do not genarate tourists
Because the patch does not support this feature yet. Csaboka works on it
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then is it possible that you release a file where only the petrol industrie is in
because i want to play with all buses
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bug

your longbusses 334 version
overwrites the opeltrucks 334 version
and also some setra bus have got the opelgrafiks
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goalie wrote:then is it possible that you release a file where only the petrol industrie is in because i want to play with all buses
I could allow coach buses to be refited to passengers buses. Would it be ok?
goalie wrote:bug. your longbusses 334 version overwrites the opeltrucks 334 version and also some setra bus have got the opelgrafiks
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George wrote:
goalie wrote:then is it possible that you release a file where only the petrol industrie is in because i want to play with all buses
I could allow coach buses to be refited to passengers buses. Would it be ok?
that would be ok
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bug in spitzercolani
refit to petrol is broken
if i refit to petrol it can carry 0 tons and is not refitable back to the other goods
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goalie wrote:bug in spitzercolani refit to petrol is broken if i refit to petrol it can carry 0 tons and is not refitable back to the other goods
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