Planeset [version 1.5.3 released 2006-10-24]

[krtaylor]

I agree that it would be nice to have alternate liveries for cargo planes. If we wanted to get fancy, we could have UPS and FedEx versions of more modern planes, and orange Flying Tigers versions of the older ones.

459, can you combine GRF files between yours and zero's? Or did you already? I don't want two separate files of course.

As with all these projects, there is no release date, it will be done when it's done.

Do you have a mathematical description of the acceleration other than in the NFO file? We had a long discussion about this many, many pages ago.

[459]

zero1000 - http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=8083 and see the 3d coordinate pic. I hope I understood the point of the pic right. I'll be experimenting a bit with those xrel and yrel values soon. Somebody with a proper Internet connection please dig more proper information about this.

Here's a set where all my 15 planes are mostly coded and flyable, still in WIP status with previously mentioned attributes not properly assigned. The zero1000 planes haven't been merged there yet but I'll also try to do that soon.

I haven't got any idea of that acceleration system, only thing I know is that bigger number gives bigger acceleration

Time order in planelist might suck a bit since many planes are introduced around the same time and the random introduction. I'll assign the ID's for the set that way though, I think that once both planes (if latter plane gets introduced before earlier plane) are introduced the list order will be correct anyway.

There's still a lot of work to do but I'm in high spirits since there's a lot of easily-done work I can spend my holiday for

[krtaylor]

When you post the unified planeset GRF, why don't you also call it planesetw.grf? That will be its real name eventually anyway.

[RPharazon]

Whoah there, I haven't been active very much, and I got confused by your explanation.

Is it a GRF or one of those code things I don't understand?

[krtaylor]

What's the question?

An NFO file is a file that contains information about how a sprite is to be used. It's useless in the game, it is sort of a pre-processing file that the GRF encoder uses in making a GRF.

A PCX file is a standard graphic format. You use PCX files to contain the drawn sprites. I think also you can use PNG, that's what I use because those can be seen by ordinary browsers.

A GRF file is a specially encoded file that contains both the graphic information of the sprites, and also game information about how it is used (vehicle name, stats, ID, etc.) That's the file that can be used by the Patch to add new vehicles to the game.

The issue I was raising is, that Dinges did a file named planesetw.grf which contained two new planes (747-400 and Concorde), then zero1000 did another GRF file named planesetw_zero.grf which contained several more planes, then 459 did a file named 459.grf which contained even more. I'm asking, that 459 combine them all into ONE file named planesetw.grf which contains ALL the new planes. Of course they aren't all drawn yet, we'll add them as they appear.

[CyberBoy]

Can you code my planes into planesetw.grf file for me? There are only three, they shouldn't be that much work...

[krtaylor]

Me, no. But I get the impression that 459 and zero1000 are working on doing the coding, for everything.

[CyberBoy]

Here is the Sonic Cruiser, Saab 2000 and 747-400 in a special technique used to have company color in liveries. Scottishasttdx and zero1000 may choose weather they like these modifications to their graphics.

Note however that I emphasize on fairness in this project; just as I allowed Shadow-XIII partial credit for tweaking the cruiser, and just as anyone who tweaks so much as a single pixel should get(should their work be included in the final form), I would like partial credit if they accept the changes.

[459]

Here comes the combined beta planeset. I renamed the set appropiately. It now has my planes, zero1000's planes, Dinges's planes (with latest graphical fixes as of 6.8.2004) and the planes that use existing TTD graphics. The remaining planes drawn by others will be coded soon. In the meantime, try to find bugs and anomalities from this release, I'll be "out from office" till the beginning of the next week.

While assigning slots I discovered that there's technically only space for 41 planes (I was in belief that there were 42 slots). We have 42 planes on the list so something has to be left off. Shall we remove the airships for now since no-one draws them, reduce amount of helicopters or drop an airplane off?

Is there any way with NFO or other tricks to eliminate the built-in planes so that only modified planes are present?

[krtaylor]

I'd say, whichever plane doesn't get drawn, gets dropped. The Wiki still says there can be 42 planes, did we miss one somewhere or is it wrong?

I think with the NFO you could set all the other planes to be available only in Toyland, which would have the effect you want until we have all the planes ready to take their place.

It looks like we want two separate sets: one in company colors, and one with real liveries. And, we have some planes ready for both So I need to try and record which is which, and save both sprite-sets. For that I'll need some help, since I'm not sure what is what right now.

[krtaylor]

I have updated the table. I am more than a bit confused.

I've tried to label each sprite that has been drawn, with whether it is in company-color or original livery. Many of them I'm not sure of. I know the 747-400 and Sonic Cruiser are in original livery, so I took CyberBoy's just-posted sprites as being in company color - so the original ones are in real livery, and CyberBoy's new ones are in company color, and they're both posted so we can have two sets.

I am NOT at all sure that I have the labeling right. At all. Can someone please look through the table and tell me where I am labeling them wrong? That way we'll know what needs to be finished/altered to eventually have two sets.

My feeling is to have one combined set at first, and then as we have enough planes with both sets, to evolve into having two separate sets.

Thoughts? Help?

[scottishasttdx]

while we are bringing it up, I feel a proper discussion is needed on the matter of liveries. I'm all in favour of including them (but with a way to use company colour if wanted) but the artists will probably (I know I do) need some confirmation and discussion on exact liveries and how to represent them.
Another thing is the possible inclusion of time changable liveries. For instance, you say British Airways livery for the concorde, but BA have had 3 liveries since they began using the supersonic craft.

[Raichase]

Here comes the combined beta planeset.

Thanks for taking the time to release a test version to the public, I will be very eager to try this out after work today . Thanks again!

[krtaylor]

Over time maybe we'll have liveries change, but that'd be a lot of work and I'd like to get the set out first with just one set.

[CyberBoy]

I've got internet again! Now I can contribute graphics on a regular basis

[zero1000]

@459: wow, now the projects gathers some momentum because of your excellent work! pls. continue.

@all: i have prepared an id usage list, the order is based on type of aircraft (airship, prop plane, passenger jet, cargo jet, passenger heli, cargo heli), manufacturer, time/model. pls. see attached excel sheet. the list also contains the current status of the aircrafts.

@459: if you do a new version of the planeset, can you sort the id's following this list - if we can aggree on this order
at the moment the planes are really mixed-up in the buy window (that's ok at the moment, because it is the first planesetw beta version).
and can u add something in action 8, e.g.:

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    1 * 93 08 05 7A 65 72 6F 50 6C 61 6E 65 20 53 65 74 20 31 2E 30 20 62 65 74 61 20 66 6F 72 20 57 69 6E 64 6F 77 73 2E 20 72 65 70 6C 61 63 65 73 20 61 6C 6C 20 70 6C 61 6E 65 73 20 6F 66 20 54 54 44 20 28 74 6F 74 61 6C 20 6E 6F 20 6F 66 20 70 6C 61 6E 65 73 3A 20 34 32 29

will be following text in grf status window:
Plane Set 1.0 beta for Windows.
replaces all planes of TTD (total no of planes: 42)


@krtaylor: pls. update your technical aircraft list: Boeing 737NG, Airbus A318 are deleted and replaced by Boeing Sonic Cruiser, Boeing Commercial Chinook (i don't know if the stats were already posted somewhere here)


... and now i will buy some of the new planes [/code]

[459]

Releasing these beta sets hopefully gathers more outside attention and workforce to get the set to better shape and sooner. At least people now have impression that this set is more than just pretty pictures

zero1000, that list might look better if you sort all manufacturer's planes of same type so that they are in conscecutive order. Another story is what should be done for Beluga since it's pure cargo airplane...

DC-3, DC-8, DC-10 and MD-80 are Douglas / MDD products.

Same for Concorde and BAe146.

Same for Connie and Tristar.

Same for DH Comet and DH Dash 8, but not CRJ100 (although the latter two are currently Bombardier products).

Fix all the manufacturers to alphabetical order instead of random order. Once the list gets "nice" to look at we'll use it, the current time order looks messy, planes here and there and I think that it's easier to distinguish planes by manufacturer than in case of trains (people don't pay that much attention to manufacturer in trains anyway).

krtaylor: get the new planelist information from the latest planelist XLS I've posted a few days ago if you are planning to update the tech.html anytime soon.

I'll have a small documentation in next release of the set. Things like "what is this set" and "to do"...

[zero1000]

new text for your grf (action 8 ) :

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    1 * 181   08 06 7A 65 72 6F 
              2A 20 50 6C 61 6E 65 20 53 65 74 20 30 2E 31 20 2A 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 
              20 20 20 0D 0A 28 63 29 20 32 30 30 34 20 76 61 72 69 6F 75 73 20 61 72 74 
              69 73 74 73 20 61 6E 64 20 63 6F 64 65 72 73 20 66 72 6F 6D 20 74 68 65 20 
              54 54 2D 46 6F 72 75 6D 73 20 0D 0A 68 74 74 70 3A 2F 2F 77 77 77 2E 74 74 
              2D 66 6F 72 75 6D 73 2E 6E 65 74 20 0D 0A 68 74 74 70 3A 2F 2F 77 77 77 2E 
              61 73 2D 73 74 2E 63 6F 6D 2F 74 74 64 0D 0A 49 6E 74 72 6F 64 75 63 65 73 
              20 34 32 20 6E 65 77 20 61 69 72 20 63 72 61 66 74 73 20 21 20 20 20 20 20

[zero1000]

@459:

i don't aggree to a pure alphabetical order. i like the TTD order. but it's not my decision, you're the coder at the moment

[SuperTycoon]

where have the helecopters gone?!?!