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tbf, it's been a huge debate in Germany as well, and it's meant as a one-time system to help alleviate some problems with rising cost of living in a corona-affected economy. Also loads of people complaining about it ... mostly because people are actually using it, which, yeah, who'd have thought, and then saying that, surprise, it didn't instantly completely change how car traffic works in Germany :|

The good news is that a successor ticket is real discussions so maybe we'll be getting that now. There are some options already but nothing as easy and affordable as this one.
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Pyoro wrote: 08 Aug 2022 07:29 The good news is that a successor ticket is real discussions so maybe we'll be getting that now. There are some options already but nothing as easy and affordable as this one.
I'd love for even the original €9 scheme to be done here in the UK. Unfortunately, (to my knowledge) there hasn't ever been a meaningful 'deal' on such a widely valid ticket here such as that All Lines ticket from before, the £540/€640 a week one, although it is available with the standard Railcard discount of 33%, if you possess one, bringing it down to just.. £356 or €425.
Unfortunately it just never really even ever looks like a possibility, public transport here, whether it is Trains, Trams or Buses are ran for profit rather than passengers. Some tram systems, in particular i'd say Sheffield Supertram or Manchester Metrolink do have pretty good value tickets vs the offerings of them, and London Underground is fairly decently capped at the daily 'maxes'. Other than that, its super pricey, the Government keep saying "oh no, we're green AF!" whilst doing nothing to tempt people away from cars like offering meaningfully decent prices on railway travel.
I'm lucky in that I qualify for a disabled railcard, and a free bus pass (the bus one is only valid after 0930, because elderly or disabled people have nothing to do in the early morning, it is a fact the Government got from... somewhere), but I'm able to look at the prices and still go "...that's ridiculous".
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Thing is, I feel a lot of the success - despite "marketed" via the price - isn't actually that it's cheap, but that it's very uncomplicated and very stress-free. It's really more about being a "all-in-one" ticket. You buy it. You stop worrying about which train, tram, subway, bus you want to take. Just do it! Missed one? Take the next one. Spontaneously want to go somewhere else? Why not! It's raining and you want to go on your trip a day later? Perfectly fine. Find yourself unprepared somewhere? Doesn't matter, can still hop on the bus/train without a worry.

That appeals to people. Many people not used to public transport feel kinda insecure about it (which I can understand, when I interact with a new system I'm not oriented with it also always takes a bit to get that security in knowing you're getting the right tickets etc), and this takes a lot of worry about it away.

The precise cost is something to debated and I could see different models working, like just daily or weekly tickets, or keeping it monthly, or making it yearly; possibly even some sort of subscription-based thing, or do it via some taxes, or whatever. I honestly don't know what the "correct" approach is here - according to surveys, people are saying they feel 60-90€ would be fair (which would still be incredibly low given that one local train ride can easily could 20€ already, and typical monthly tickets for example for Munich can go from 120€ to 200€ or more).

The last thing is availability. The ticket showed - and this will blow your minds, I'm sure - that people only use it if there's actually convenient public transport there. Who could have known?! So basically the people that already had good public transport are the ones that got the most out of having cheap public transport too, now. If this is supposed to work for everyone then a massive increase in capacity and availability is necessary. Well, that's already necessary either way, but even more so if they want to really go for it. It'll take a lot of government effort to get it done and I'm not sure we got one that is THAT gutsy. They'll go in the right direction, but probably not determined enough.
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Pyoro wrote: 08 Aug 2022 10:09 It's really more about being a "all-in-one" ticket. You buy it. You stop worrying about which train, tram, subway, bus you want to take. Just do it! Missed one? Take the next one. Spontaneously want to go somewhere else? Why not! It's raining and you want to go on your trip a day later? Perfectly fine. Find yourself unprepared somewhere?
This is something London has really excelled at here. You can buy an 'oyster' card, which is valid on any type of transport within the Greater London area (tip: its really big), doesn't matter if you want to get a bus, a train (above or below ground) or even want to do the touristy things of use the boats or the Air Line. That card will get you on them (as long as you've got credit on them to be taken off for the fare). On top of Oyster, you can also just tap any valid debit or credit card with contactless and the system will sort out your fare at the other side depending where you went and how you got there. There really should be a system like this nationwide, in my opinion. Get a travel card and go anywhere, no worries or frets about "what if?"
You're completely right in that some people just have no idea how to handle some public transport situations, the oyster card resolves that within London. You got one of them? You can go anywhere in the city boundaries, no worrying about buying a ticket before you board anything, or where to buy the ticket at all!

sidenote: since the widespread implementation & usage of contactless debit/credit cards, oysters have limited usage, given you can now just use any of those debit/credit cards too. Which is even more convenient for the public, also this is generally used throughout the UK now, not just in London with contactless cards. I don't live in London, but I enjoy going there on the underground, so i have a few oyster cards laying about lol
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Redirect Left wrote: 08 Aug 2022 11:05 On top of Oyster, you can also just tap any valid debit or credit card with contactless and the system will sort out your fare at the other side depending where you went and how you got there.
This is what we did when we spent a few days in London. This seems to do the math for me, uses the Daily anytime capped prices for zones and all. Why would anyone use an Oyster, is it cheaper per trip or something? Just tapping the card (or in my case, my Samsung Pay on my phone) was incredibly hassle free and really not that expensive.
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https://youtu.be/3kzu06TRi48

A little youtube sorta documentary on an Alaskan railway (Copper River Railway). Found it to be quite interesting. Impressive feat in awful conditions.
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