Germany's cheap ticket causes huge overload

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Germany's cheap ticket causes huge overload

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Seems like Germans had a energy crisis compensation made by their government: a ticket through the whole country costs less than $10.

But the Deutshe Bahn forgot to bring more trains on the rails so it was a big chaos and lots of bad publicity.

Some people think it was never ment work, since the car manifacturer lobby wants public transportation to fail. I don't know I think it was just bad managment - they should have asked us 8)
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TurboTTC wrote: 02 Sep 2022 16:45 Seems like Germans had a energy crisis compensation made by their government: a ticket through the whole country costs less than $10.
No "seems" at all. :-) It was the Nine-Euro-Ticket (9€ per month) that was available from June to August 2022. With that ticket one was able to use all local and regional public transport services in the whole country.
TurboTTC wrote: 02 Sep 2022 16:45 But the Deutshe Bahn forgot to bring more trains on the rails so it was a big chaos and lots of bad publicity.
The Deutsche Bahn (and also the other railway companies) didn't "forget" to bring more trains on the rails. There was no more trains available within the short time from the idea to the implementation (around two months). Additionally the ticket was available only for appointed traffic services (appointed by the regional and local authorities with an advance of a few years). It is not easy to bring more trains to such an appointed service.

In Germany only long-distance rail transport is completely in the hand of the railway companies and only there a company could decide to bring additional trains on the rails (if available) on their own.

That said, yes, there was "a big chaos and lots of bad publicity" in the beginning, because the ticket started at Whitsuntide, a weekend with traditionally a lot of traffic in the country. But after the three months the public reception is all over all mainly positive.
TurboTTC wrote: 02 Sep 2022 16:45 Some people think it was never ment work, since the car manifacturer lobby wants public transportation to fail.
Even with such a big car manufactor lobby as Germany has, this is not true. This is not the USA in the nineteen thirties. The Nine-Euro-Ticket "experiment" – with all its problems – did not fail, even "some people" think so. Many other "some people" expresses their different, contrary opinion. It's a public, wide spread discussion about a successor for the Nine-Euro-Ticket, that should be available on a permanent basis (against the German minister of finance).

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In the UK, a lot of bus tickets are going down in price. I've already left my congratulations on some of the bus company's twitter, celebrating their huge successes in procuring more staff and buses to be able to run the extra services needed for the incoming extra demand!

I'm 100% sure they've thought of this... right? riiiiight?
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There was all sorts of criticism; like it's just funding vacation trips, it's mainly giving money to people that don't need it, the trips taken on public transportation primarily are additional trips, not replacing car trips, blabla.

In the end, the plan is now to get a successor ticket by the beginning of next year. Nobody knows yet how it'll look - certainly more expensive - but it seems to be happening. Can't have been that bad then :|
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Pyoro wrote: 07 Sep 2022 21:01 There was all sorts of criticism; like it's just funding vacation trips, it's mainly giving money to people that don't need it, the trips taken on public transportation primarily are additional trips, not replacing car trips, blabla.
In the light of the planned purpose, to unburden the people (a least) from a part of the raised mobility costs, it served its purpose completely. It is absolutely irrelevant, if one reduced her/his commuting costs or the transporting costs of a hoiliday trip. For example: I have a subscription ticket for my home town and so I had automatically the Nine-Euro-Ticket. I used it both for my local mobility in town as well as my holiday trip to the sea (it was not Sylt 😁) and I see absolutely no reason to have a guilty conscience about it.

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The purported purpose was to get commuters, by car, that couldn't or shouldn't have to afford expensive gasoline out of their cars and into trains (also buses, but everyone talks trains). I do think you can argue that that's not what happened, or only to a very small extend. Turns out access and convenience and ... you know, maybe not being summer when many people are on vacation / otherwise not working / working less / doing home office due to corona are more important than the barrier of cost.

A 9€-successor ticket is still a good and arguably overdue idea.
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