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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:07 am 
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McZapkie wrote:
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The only list which exists (except maybe in the sources of OpenGFX) is http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/In ... faultProps and to a lesser degree http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NM ... stry_tiles

thank you, this second plus opengfx *industries.pnlm are very helpful.

Meanwhile, I created new industry, forest logging camp which can be used instead of forest - it cut trees like lumber mill,
but appears randomly like forests. I found it useful for tree growth control in massive multiplayer maps.
There is only one small issue - logging camp is "planted" instead constructed - it sound somewhat silly.
How to force TTD_STR_NEWS_INDUSTRY_CONSTRUCTION instead of TTD_STR_NEWS_INDUSTRY_PLANTED?

I think you would need to set the new_ind_msg property to TTD_STR_NEWS_INDUSTRY_CONSTRUCTION .

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:44 pm 
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1.4 version of manpower industries is already available on bananas service.

Logging camp - forest replacement feature is merged into manpower set (standalone logging camp project is temporarily abandoned until all features, including snow aware tiles, will be ready).
There is many logging camp layouts available, some has ISR-style cranes animated if trees are cutted.
Manpower is not mandatory for logging camp, delivered crew does not change production rate (no possibility of such action),
presence of crew is protect logging camp against closure. More details in logging camp thread.

Another change is stockpile limit for steel mill - I underestimated capability of users for spamming industry with stream higher than resource consuming rate (produce rate depend on waiting cargo amount, but is limited) with 65535 tons of waiting coal as an result.
Stockpile limit is large (29 kt for iron ore and 19 kt for coal) and there is wide acceptance hysteresis - once stockpile limit is reached,
acceptance is switched off unless waiting cargo drops below 6 kt limit.
Due to high limit and wide hysteresis, I expect that steel mill should not considered as bad feature causing problems with cargodist or AI
(however I did not tested it with any AI).
You can deliver about 100 trains (assuming 200 t coal load per train) before steel mill coal bunker will be closed - enough time to collect funds
and establish another link (to iron ore mine or/and power station).
I tested this newgrf on my 2096x2096 real-world based map (with sparse resources and high costs) and found interesting phenomena - players
tends to cooperate - one company was delivering coal and other one was delivering ore, additionally one company send passengers to other company mine, to increase its production. Surprisingly symbiosis was a "win-win" strategy.
Maybe someday I will attempt to run server with infrastructure sharing patch...

PS. is it possible to define industry layout depending on construction date or current date?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:53 pm 
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McZapkie wrote:
PS. is it possible to define industry layout depending on construction date or current date?


FIRS Grain Mill does it - only builds windmills before a certain date. Have a look how that's done?
https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fi ... ill.pypnml

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:51 am 
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Given the function OFF so that no new industries appear, I continue to open only the farms. Has a solution that?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:59 am 
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sunshare wrote:
Given the function OFF so that no new industries appear, I continue to open only the farms. Has a solution that?

Don't use more that one industry newgrf, avoid changing newgrf in existing gamestate - it can break a game.
Everything should work fine if you have freshly generated game (please provide save, if you generated/edited new scenario and any problems appear).


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:49 pm 
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McZapkie wrote:
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Given the function OFF so that no new industries appear, I continue to open only the farms. Has a solution that?

Don't use more that one industry newgrf, avoid changing newgrf in existing gamestate - it can break a game.
Everything should work fine if you have freshly generated game (please provide save, if you generated/edited new scenario and any problems appear).


Only used a NewGRF industry, As is the concept of passengers to primary industries? can be disabled without falling production of primary industry?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:57 am 
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sunshare wrote:
Only used a NewGRF industry
Did you removed another newgrfs from scenario, or started new scenario?
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As is the concept of passengers to primary industries? can be disabled without falling production of primary industry?

Setting minimal crew number to zero should switch manpower off, but unfortunately I found a bug: "more than" instead of "more or equal than" sign was used.
I will publish corrected version within next week.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:27 pm 
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ok, Hopefully you can fix the bug and soon see the new version


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:19 am 
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New version available (for testing) here:
https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ma ... ries/files

How to disable manpower:
industries productivity have three stable modes: minimal, normal (with random fluctuation, like original openttd) and maximal,
depending on crew (passenger waiting) amount compared to low level/high level thresholds.
If both low levels are set to zero (and high levels maximised), industry should vary around normal production even without passengers waiting.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:53 pm 
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Apparently it works well, also farm persists, although this set to OFF


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:40 pm 
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McZapkie wrote:
New version available (for testing) here:
https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ma ... ries/files

How to disable manpower:
industries productivity have three stable modes: minimal, normal (with random fluctuation, like original openttd) and maximal,
depending on crew (passenger waiting) amount compared to low level/high level thresholds.
If both low levels are set to zero (and high levels maximised), industry should vary around normal production even without passengers waiting.


The grf have problems with industry Farms.
It requires goods to work, and it is always with values 0.
And every so often closes and disappears farm and created one elsewhere.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 11:19 pm 
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sunshare wrote:
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The grf have problems with industry Farms.
It requires goods to work, and it is always with values 0.
Which version newgrf you are using and which climate?
Goods as an farm supplies are disabled if default settings (destination depending on climate) are untouched,
to activate goods supply feature both condition must apply: grain&livestock must be produced and destination of famr cargos must to be set explicitly to the food processor.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 11:51 pm 
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McZapkie wrote:
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McZapkie wrote:
The grf have problems with industry Farms.
It requires goods to work, and it is always with values 0.
Which version newgrf you are using and which climate?
Goods as an farm supplies are disabled if default settings (destination depending on climate) are untouched,
to activate goods supply feature both condition must apply: grain&livestock must be produced and destination of famr cargos must to be set explicitly to the food processor.


Ok, so I set version 15, is the last you posted recently.

the food processing plant does not accept me livestock.
Only accepts Steel and grain


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:55 am 
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You don't need to disable/enable al chains, just leave them "depending on climate" and default settings would apply.
Good supply for farms appear only, as I mentioned above, for non-standard settings.
Maximal number of crew should be greater than zero to keep standard behaviour.

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the food processing plant does not accept me livestock.
Only accepts Steel and grain
Yes, because it have filled up with livestock (stockpile limit), see industry window on the left.
You need to deliver steel - it will boost production of goods and process waiting cargo faster.


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What would be the ideal setting for crew?
What would be the ideal setting for crew? and have a nromal production that does not require a lot of crew?


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sunshare wrote:
What would be the ideal setting for crew? and have a nromal production that does not require a lot of crew?

Low crew levels = 0
High crew levels default or maximal possible (500, 5000)

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:04 am 
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Because food processing plant accepts steel? If I have no Steelworks nearby?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:42 am 
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You can make an alternate version without the requirement of passengers for production? Leaving the options do not allow creating and closing industries?

I'll be very grateful!


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:58 am 
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Just set the paramters for the crew requirements to 0 in the newgrf settings. It'll still report passangers accepted/produced at the industry, but it's entirely optional to actually do anything with them, so you can ignore it entirely.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:00 pm 
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Gremnon wrote:
Just set the paramters for the crew requirements to 0 in the newgrf settings. It'll still report passangers accepted/produced at the industry, but it's entirely optional to actually do anything with them, so you can ignore it entirely.



If I set to 0 production crew is not constant. For this reason requested an alternate version that does not have those options and leaving the other options mentioned above.

As didificil should not remove the option crew and leave the other options currently has Manpower.

Please who can do it? Thank You


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