Re: Random Transport Chatter
Posted: 10 Apr 2017 19:46
Lol - well aware. It's part of my job!Ameecher wrote:I'm almost disappointed that no one bit, especially Jamie on my dismissive statement about Digital railway.
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Lol - well aware. It's part of my job!Ameecher wrote:I'm almost disappointed that no one bit, especially Jamie on my dismissive statement about Digital railway.
I know!JamieLei wrote:Lol - well aware. It's part of my job!Ameecher wrote:I'm almost disappointed that no one bit, especially Jamie on my dismissive statement about Digital railway.
There are plenty of cheaper shaving soaps made in the US, but the stuff I buy is made in and shipped from Britain - I am sure there are enough buyers among 1B+ people to fill a rake of containers of certain niche brands and products. The article mentions soft drinks, though beer and whisky would also be a good fit - various British brands have a lot of strength and recognition in China, and are a pain to ship by air, but don't necessarily make sense to make under license there (and whiskies would be tough to sell if not made in the real distillery).Redirect Left wrote:The list of products contained on the train is rather vague, but what is listed is nothing the Chinese couldn't make themselves, most of it they already do make in China after checking with chinese wholesalers for list of exportable items back to the UK.
Almost feels like they're feeling sorry for us because we Brexit'd ourselves out of trade deals later on and they're just accepting any old tosh we have lying spare in warehouses.
That is actually one of the products on the train as well!supermop wrote:whisky
A train once a month would be better than once every 3, and should still be able to be filled, but of course, these are just the first trains, I imagine to see whether the service is viable. And yes, the 7 hours it takes to get from Essex to Dollands Moor is very little when compared to the 17 day travel time of the train itself!supermop wrote:I think it makes sense to try, and few extra hours here and there on the way to France probably doesn't hurt, However I feel like the frequency of service would have to be a lot more regular to attract enough business to justify the logistical work involved.
That could certainly work - a long weekly or bi-weekly train from Germany could be made up of small feeders, perhaps cargosprinter type loads or even single containers by truck from many different cities/countries. That would certainly give you a lot better frequency (as slow as ships are, there are probably more than one departure per week from each major UK port, to each major Chinese port).Pyoro wrote:In my non-expert opinion, I'd start the route somewhere in France or Germany and establish some feeder service there. I suppose going through all of Europe with a single train kinda makes for better marketing than just half-way, but I think this could probably be done in a more sensible manner. ^^
Well done all for coming up with the concept of a Marshalling Yardsupermop wrote:That could certainly work - a long weekly or bi-weekly train from Germany could be made up of small feeders, perhaps cargosprinter type loads or even single containers by truck from many different cities/countries. That would certainly give you a lot better frequency (as slow as ships are, there are probably more than one departure per week from each major UK port, to each major Chinese port).Pyoro wrote:In my non-expert opinion, I'd start the route somewhere in France or Germany and establish some feeder service there. I suppose going through all of Europe with a single train kinda makes for better marketing than just half-way, but I think this could probably be done in a more sensible manner. ^^
Potentially changes more often than that, would depend on the drivers route knowledge, what each countries required rest period is for drivers, etc. After all, it probably takes a few days to cross places like Russia, Kazakhstan and China, so there is a strong chance they will need quite a few drivers for the train (if the idea is to keep it moving as much as possible and not just stop it in a yard).Redirect Left wrote:I hope the driver changes frequently. Like every country or something
*shudders* You're not suggesting that you'd want these things (the one on the right) running from England to Germany are you to join up with this train? The Horror!supermop wrote:perhaps cargosprinter type loads or even single containers by truck from many different cities/countries.
Safety regulations in countries like that? Ha, good one ...Pilot wrote:...what each countries required rest period is for drivers, etc. After all, it probably takes a few days to cross places like Russia, Kazakhstan and China, so there is a strong chance they will need quite a few drivers for the train (if the idea is to keep it moving as much as possible and not just stop it in a yard).
How far would the UK sets go ? Will it go as far as possible (ie. to the next gauge break, something like Poland or so) ?Pilot wrote:So, the first train from the UK to China is set to depart...
You'll find that, at some point in the future, China would be very happy to make a more direct connection that involved easier transitions somehow. Well... they've usually beaten a path quite easily before?YNM wrote:How far would the UK sets go ? Will it go as far as possible (ie. to the next gauge break, something like Poland or so) ?Pilot wrote:So, the first train from the UK to China is set to depart...
Also, it's not as slow as you think - current ship operations would take about the same time. Although trains vs ship is just not fair - you can load lots of trains on one ship
Regarding it's path : I think it has to pass Russia (so break of gauge is unavoidable), I don't think you could make it from, say, Greece to Turkey (political reasons perhaps) or Turkey to Iran (I haven't found any rail there !) for it matters. Passing into Russia from UK can either take through Poland - Belarus - Russia or Finland - Russia. You can go through Ukraine, but Ukraine - Russia relation is pretty unstable...
Also, passing to China is problematic (at least on maps) - if you haven't noticed, Google's map of China is shifted eastward somewhat, creating virtually no connection from anywhere
Going from Greece to Turkey is very much possible, and before our railways stopped providing international connections Thessaloniki to Istanbul was a regular passenger service.YNM wrote:How far would the UK sets go ? Will it go as far as possible (ie. to the next gauge break, something like Poland or so) ?
Also, it's not as slow as you think - current ship operations would take about the same time. Although trains vs ship is just not fair - you can load lots of trains on one ship
Regarding it's path : I think it has to pass Russia (so break of gauge is unavoidable), I don't think you could make it from, say, Greece to Turkey (political reasons perhaps) or Turkey to Iran (I haven't found any rail there !) for it matters. Passing into Russia from UK can either take through Poland - Belarus - Russia or Finland - Russia. You can go through Ukraine, but Ukraine - Russia relation is pretty unstable...
Also, passing to China is problematic (at least on maps) - if you haven't noticed, Google's map of China is shifted eastward somewhat, creating virtually no connection from anywhere
China regularly hold talks with Pakistan and relations are good - even apparently China starts to invest in Pakistani ports (and their connections to there). Given :Doorslammer wrote:You'll find that, at some point in the future, China would be very happy to make a more direct connection that involved easier transitions somehow. Well... they've usually beaten a path quite easily before?
If China have a good relation with Iran and looking forward to improving connections to the west is among the political talks and Turkey can return to be a "bridge" state (let's admit it's not looking good so far) then theoretically the trains could run to the ends of EU at Greece (or, Turkey), then Turkey, cross through Iran, then Pakistan, and up Kashmir/Tibet towards Chinese east coast.Gafigglethorp wrote:Where you'd go from Turkey isn't a problem either; Apparently, Iran and Turkey do have a rail connection.
This train has now arrived in China, 17 days later! En route, it passed through England (obviously), France, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Belarus, Russia, Kazakhstan & China, in that order.Pilot wrote:So, the first train from the UK to China is set to depart
The first loco on the trip hauled it from Thames Gateway to Dollands Moor (being a Class 66 (not the 92 as pictured), it wouldn't be allowed in the chunnel), from there, it's possible it just had a loco to haul it through the tunnel, then a Continental one would have picked it up from there. Also, that Chinese Locomotive reminds me of the French Class 20s.Redirect Left wrote:not sure how far the original loco it left the UK with managed to travel before being swapped out