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Random Transport Chatter

Post by Redirect Left » 08 Oct 2014 18:15

Because I think quite often, some things for discussion may not require an entire thread, so lets see if a single thread for all the smaller subjects of transport works, I think, think of it as the Thread of Randomness, for transport! :)

I'll start off with this, my local rail line has made it into BBC news, although for a rather dull reason of leaf-fall forcing a change to its timetables until December!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-so ... e-29536098
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Post by doxlulzem » 08 Oct 2014 22:09

Anyone mentioned Arriva Sapphire yet? Such an improvement. It's on the comfort level of coaches IMO. What do you guys think? Have you ridden a sapphire bus yet?
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Post by Zhall » 09 Oct 2014 02:16

doxlulzem wrote:Anyone mentioned Arriva Sapphire yet? Such an improvement. It's on the comfort level of coaches IMO. What do you guys think? Have you ridden a sapphire bus yet?
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Post by Pilot » 09 Oct 2014 06:26

Arriva Sapphire? Not heard of them, I'm guessing they are similar to Stagecoach Gold though?

One of those could do well on a Manchester to Chester route I think (maybe via Sale, Altrincham, Knutsford, Northwich and Frodsham)

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Post by doxlulzem » 09 Oct 2014 06:31

Wow. I thought the service was more well known. It's mostly in the North East. I'll have to check Stagecoach Gold, but I imagine they're similar.
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Post by Nordic Dragon » 09 Oct 2014 11:52

Sapphire isn't as good as Stagecoach Gold. No coach seats.
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Post by Kevo00 » 09 Oct 2014 19:50

Not much Arriva in this hood. First dominate this area and they don't seem to bother with premium products, despite their premium prices.

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Post by Redirect Left » 09 Oct 2014 20:40

I love the interior of the new tube trains that have been revealed, the front of them however looks silly and I hope that doesn't make it into the final model...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-29520761

The new trains have also sparked up a debate amongst unions about driverless trains once again.
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Post by doxlulzem » 09 Oct 2014 21:05

Redirect Left wrote:the front of them however looks silly and I hope that doesn't make it into the final model...
What are you on about? I think it looks sleek, for London. Certainly sleeker than anything I've seen up here. I only see Super Sprinters, Pacers, Desiros and IC 225s. In fact the sleekest loco from up here I've seen is the Adelante!
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Post by Pilot » 09 Oct 2014 21:19

I'm rather annoyed at Manchester Metrolink. On my journey to College this morning, the trams should have been every 6 mins, I turn up at the station and there was one due in 15 mins and one due in 16 mins. This is happening far too often, they need an actual timetable :evil:

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Post by Redirect Left » 09 Oct 2014 22:40

doxlulzem wrote:
Redirect Left wrote:the front of them however looks silly and I hope that doesn't make it into the final model...
What are you on about? I think it looks sleek, for London. Certainly sleeker than anything I've seen up here. I only see Super Sprinters, Pacers, Desiros and IC 225s.
It just look really really silly, if you ask me, and you get better trains than me, I live in the Penistone Line, SHF<->HUD, most common is 144, then 142, then infrequent 150 and very rare 158! I'd kill to have a desiro near me!
A321Pilot wrote:I'm rather annoyed at Manchester Metrolink. On my journey to College this morning, the trams should have been every 6 mins, I turn up at the station and there was one due in 15 mins and one due in 16 mins. This is happening far too often, they need an actual timetable :evil:
I went to Manchester a few week ago with a friend, the entire city centre was devoid of trams. It was very very eery without any tram horns tooting about the place, not sure what had happened to stop all the trains though, was a saturday too, busy busy! Any idea on that, if you're local? It truly felt weird without the trams!
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Post by Pilot » 10 Oct 2014 06:08

Redirect Left wrote:saturday too, busy busy! Any idea on that, if you're local?
They had probably shut the city centre of trams (again!), it happens every couple of weeks currently, partially to do with the remodeling of Deansgate-Castlefield, and partially to do with Victoria's new roof.

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Post by Kevo00 » 10 Oct 2014 09:43

A321Pilot wrote:I'm rather annoyed at Manchester Metrolink. On my journey to College this morning, the trams should have been every 6 mins, I turn up at the station and there was one due in 15 mins and one due in 16 mins. This is happening far too often, they need an actual timetable :evil:
Much in the spirit of previous posts, but at least you have a tram to take at all...

Which parts of Metrolink do you normally use?

Has anyone used the Edinburgh system yet?

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Post by Pilot » 10 Oct 2014 15:55

Kevo00 wrote:Which parts of Metrolink do you normally use?
Between Altrincham and the Etihad, with the odd journey up to Victoria (which has been shut since February)

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Post by Kevo00 » 10 Oct 2014 17:39

A321Pilot wrote:
Kevo00 wrote:Which parts of Metrolink do you normally use?
Between Altrincham and the Etihad, with the odd journey up to Victoria (which has been shut since February)
Ah, I haven't been on the Ashton branch yet. I wonder if the operational side of the frenetic expansion has been thought through.

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Post by Pilot » 10 Oct 2014 18:55

Kevo00 wrote:I wonder if the operational side of the frenetic expansion has been thought through.
Doubtful, they are trying to get a tram through the section between the 'Delta' and Cornbrook every 2 mins, and it doesn't work when having to contend with the traffic lights, and the single track through Victoria.

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Post by Kevo00 » 11 Oct 2014 23:32

Single track is always going to be a capacity killer. Are they still having special signalling through the construction there?

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Post by Pilot » 12 Oct 2014 10:29

Kevo00 wrote:special signalling
I think each end of the section is manned, and they radio between each other whether there is a tram in the section, before clearing a tram to go. Much like when in a car, when one lane is shut and they are holding up one of those stop/go sign sticks.

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Post by JamieLei » 12 Oct 2014 11:21

A321Pilot wrote:I'm rather annoyed at Manchester Metrolink. On my journey to College this morning, the trams should have been every 6 mins, I turn up at the station and there was one due in 15 mins and one due in 16 mins. This is happening far too often, they need an actual timetable :evil:
Having real-time displays does not necessarily mean there isn't a timetable. The DLR for example has a proper timetable, as does the London Underground, but they're not particularly prominent to the public as a general frequency level is easier to communicate and understand. On the South West Trains suburban network for example, the CIS displays show times in minutes wait going into Waterloo (ie: 3 minutes), whereas it'll be the actual time going out since there are 8 different destinations. Of course, both directions are timetabled!
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Post by Dave » 12 Oct 2014 11:44

I would imagine trams are a little different if they have other variables like traffic built into their schedules.

Most London bus routes are classed high frequency, so the controller will "abandon" the timetable if it means providing an even service.

Can't help traffic. Buses bunch up and I imagine trams would too.
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