[MH17] Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Redirect Left » 28 Jul 2014 14:21

According to a Ukrainian official, the black box recorder has revealed the plane came down due to 'massive explosive decompression', caused by a rocket. Seemingly clearing up any further doubt about what happened.
The UN has also stated that the downing of MH17 may be a 'war crime'

Source on both: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28520813'
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by michael blunck » 28 Jul 2014 14:47

Redirect Left wrote: According to a Ukrainian official, the black box recorder has revealed the plane came down due to 'massive explosive decompression', caused by a rocket.
That´s already known since we saw pictures from the debris, the shrapnel holes clearly to be seen.
Redirect Left wrote: The UN has also stated that the downing of MH17 may be a 'war crime'.
And I hope the Dutch people might feel some form of "compensation", some day when Yazenyuk, Turchynov, Avakov, Parubiy, Tyahnybok, Pyroshenko, ..., are being committed to Den Haag.

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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Dave » 28 Jul 2014 14:55

Yeah one of the pieces of wreckage i saw was Riddled with shrapnel holes.
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by JamieLei » 28 Jul 2014 15:14

Some very good analysis this week in the Economist. Their reporting is meticulously researched. Well worth your money if you can go out and pick up a copy.
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by michael blunck » 28 Jul 2014 15:47

The missile attack on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 by Russian-backed rebels in eastern Ukraine killed 298 people and shocked the world.

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/ ... -ukrainian
I won´t call western propaganda based on prepared "facts" worth my money.

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Since last weekend, the Ukrainian junta is hindering salvage works and investigations at the MH17 crash site in a massive way.

Despite his "promise" for a ceasefire in an area of 40 km around the crash site, and in violation of UN resolution 2166 which forbids all military action inside this area [*], Pyrochenko ordered to start massive military actions in this area, including the crash site, which continuously keeps international experts away from the area.

Even Netherland´s Prime Minister Rutte requested Pyrochenko to stop all military action according to UN resolution 2166, to allow the experts to access the site.

Obviously, the Ukrainan regime is working hard to cover the truth of the MH17 crash, now that its role as a "game changer" has been effective, in yet more sanctions against and tensions with Russia.
* wrote: “7. [The Security Council] Demands that all military activities, including by armed groups, be immediately ceased in the immediate area surrounding the crash site to allow for security and safety of the international investigation;"

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2014/sc11483.doc.htm
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by McZapkie » 30 Jul 2014 18:00

Russia claims, that airplane was shooted by ukrainian forces and shows some satellite imagery as an evidence.
However seems that there is a blind spot - vegetation phase does not match:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut1JExQK ... e=youtu.be
Ukrainian evidences are gathered here:
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/0 ... -mh17.html

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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by michael blunck » 31 Jul 2014 09:37

Who is hampering investigations on the MH17 crash and inspection of the crash site, in violation of UN resolution 2166?
osce wrote: "The SMM was again unsuccessful in reaching the wreckage site of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. Due to security considerations only a reconnaissance with two SMM vehicles (with one representative of the Australian contingent and one representative of the Dutch contingent) was made, but the SMM stopped in Shakhtarsk when they heard gunfire exchanges (believed to be taking place within a maximum distance of one kilometre) and a mortar/howitzer impact (believed to be taking place within a distance of two-three kilometres). The SMM returned to Donetsk without any further incident. The original access road to the wreckage site is no longer accessible due to ongoing military operations. The SMM continues to work on different channels to regain access to it."

Latest from the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine, based on information received by 18:00hrs, 29 July (Kyiv time)
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/122077
Moreover, it is a fact that until now, both the Ukrainian Junta and the US State Department did not release:

- recordings of ATC / MH17 chat
- official radar data
- US satellite data (i.e., not those low resolution third-party photos on social media)
- cockpit voice recorder data from MH17 (granted, analysis of flight recorder data might last months, but OTOH data from AH5017´s flight data recorder has already been read out)

I´m quite sure that Russian Intelligence has detailed military satellite data and also recordings of ATC chat. Seems they´re waiting what Ukraine/US will come up with.

The "Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity" (a group of former US intelligence officers) released an open letter urging President Obama to release what evidence he has about the tragedy.

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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Redirect Left » 13 Oct 2015 16:11

The Dutch safety board have today released findings. It once again reaffirmed, in no uncertain terms, the aircraft was brought down by a missile, specifically a Russian made one. However it does not specify which side of the conflict was to blame, Russian or Ukrainian forces.

The three crew in the cockpit died instantly, however it was unable to ascertain whether other crew and the passengers survived the initial explosion. They may have survived for part, or all, of the minute and a half descent before it made contact with the ground. Parts of high energy objects were found in the bodies of the three crew. The composition and paint fragments of found debris from the missile confirmed it was a missile of Russian origin, fired from a BUK missile launcher. The missile detonated less than a cubic metre from the above-left of the front of the aircraft, perforating the cockpits windows and walls in numerous locations.

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Re: (MH17) Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Redirect Left » 24 May 2018 12:27

Nearly four years on, the investigation board have today said, based upon the simulation of trajectories of the warhead, the missile came from a Russia brigade stationed in Western Russia. This is the first time the investigation has categorically laid the blame to a specific party.

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At a time when European and Russian relations are frosty, this will be an unwelcome setback, I'm sure Russia will be quick to deny it, and possibly say we're working further against them...

It'll also be interesting to see if based upon this, there are repercussions towards Russia, when it first occured it was noted that the incident may qualify as a war crime, I wonder if that is still hte case to be looked at...
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Re: [MH17] Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Redirect Left » 19 Jun 2019 13:16

Another update to this story, to any one following it,

Four people have been charged with murder, after presecutors identified four people of interest, 3 russians and 1 ukrainian.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48691488
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