[MH17] Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by McZapkie » 19 Jul 2014 11:19

YNM wrote:There're speculations (or truth ?) that peoples in Ukraine thought the plane is a Russian presidential plane... the striping is similar from what I know - thin bule and red.
Nonsense, plane attitude was over 10 km, it is far easier to notice number of engines (777 - two, vs Il-96 - four) than thin stripe.
Putin's route was not over Ukraine, far beyond BUK range.
Civilian air-plane is also easy to identify - you can see its code displayed on the radar screen.
But if somebody is giving powerful toys to amateur incompetent boys, the results can be outrageous.
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Redirect Left » 19 Jul 2014 18:55

Unfortunately, it also seems to be reflecting very poorly upon Malaysia Airlines; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28370863
Although of course in this incident, in my opinion, I don't think there was anything they could have done differently. No one anticipated or expected this event, and I don't really think it was possible to do so.

Also, for anyone who hasn't seen it, an official document is on Malaysia Airlines website, and states all of the nationalities, it is here http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/mh17.html
193 from the Netherlands, 43 from Malaysia, 27 from Australia, 12 from Indonesia, 10 from the UK, 4 from Germany, 4 from Belgium, 3 from Philippines, 1 from Canada and 1 from New Zealand.
There is also an entire manifesto posted, which is here
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Illegal_Alien » 19 Jul 2014 19:41

To show the size of the casualties in the Netherlands, here a map, of the places where they lived;

https://mapsengine.google.com/map/viewe ... XD4KtCo.nl.
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Illegal_Alien » 19 Jul 2014 22:21

Not sure if this is real as i dont found more sources for it atm but: http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/buit ... vasie-voor (Dutch news site)

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The Netherlands and the USA are preparing to invade the crashsite (Its mentioned as a plan B.)
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by YNM » 19 Jul 2014 23:34

McZapkie wrote:
YNM wrote:There're speculations (or truth ?) that peoples in Ukraine thought the plane is a Russian presidential plane... the striping is similar from what I know - thin bule and red.
Nonsense, plane attitude was over 10 km, it is far easier to notice number of engines (777 - two, vs Il-96 - four) than thin stripe.
Putin's route was not over Ukraine, far beyond BUK range.
Civilian air-plane is also easy to identify - you can see its code displayed on the radar screen.
But if somebody is giving powerful toys to amateur incompetent boys, the results can be outrageous.
Yeah, could be just a reason so people would blame Ukrainians...

What the heck is wrong with MAS ? What kind of sin have bought them into a lot (two, but while there aren't any other) of crashes ?
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Redirect Left » 19 Jul 2014 23:53

Illegal_Alien wrote: The Netherlands and the USA are preparing to invade the crashsite (Its mentioned as a plan B.)
From other articles, it may be the only way to get in there. Reports of looting and purposeful damaging of the remains, and little respect being paid to the dead lying around.
(sourced from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28384930 & http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28383625)
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Redirect Left » 21 Jul 2014 15:53

Malaysia Airlines are now supposedly flying over Syria, as opposed to Ukraine. Perhaps an instance of out of the fire, and back into the frying pan?
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Ameecher » 21 Jul 2014 19:38

I rolled my eyes at the Russia Today article that suddenly proves a Ukrainian military jet was with in 5 km of the crash site at the time. How convenient.
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

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Ameecher wrote:I rolled my eyes at the Russia Today article that suddenly proves a Ukrainian military jet was with in 5 km of the crash site at the time. How convenient.
I've learnt to take everything from Russia Today with a pinch of salt, they're essentially a propaganda media outlet, from what I can see.
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Ameecher » 21 Jul 2014 20:26

I just pretty much ignore it. Makes me laugh that the stupid "political" organisation Britain First use it as one of their main sources throughout their bulls*** propaganda.
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by oberhümer » 21 Jul 2014 20:32

An(other) RT reporter also resigned in protest at its coverage a few days ago.
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Redirect Left » 22 Jul 2014 18:47

Interesting, the flight recorders are to be handled and examined by UK experts.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28424115

I was expecting it to be done by a nation with higher losses such as the Netherlands or Malaysia, failing that then Ukraine.
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by FooBar » 22 Jul 2014 19:16

Dutch media reported that only a few countries have the expertise to examine flight recorders. Dutch authorities have requested the British for the research to take place in the UK.

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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

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FooBar wrote:Dutch media reported that only a few countries have the expertise to examine flight recorders. Dutch authorities have requested the British for the research to take place in the UK.
Ah. I guess that makes sense, I assume these devices aren't simple plug and play things, connect to your PC and boom, data on your HDD to play with!
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Dave » 23 Jul 2014 17:08

I note with great sadness the repatriation of some bodies to the Netherlands.

Very sad for the Dutch people. No country deserved that, but certainly not such a peaceful, beautiful country.
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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by FooBar » 23 Jul 2014 17:29

Thank you for those kind words, Dave. That means a lot.

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Re: Malaysian 777 has crashed in Ukraine

Post by Illegal_Alien » 23 Jul 2014 21:41

40 people home, to many to go...

Also what you seee today will be repeated until all of them are "home". ("Home" because there are also other nationalities.)
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