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More diesel_smoke patch
Posted: 25 Jul 2005 00:52
by SirkoZ
I know it's tiny and quite cosmetic, but it's cute and
TTDPatch has it too.
Locomotives' smoke is more thick and they emit it up to
higher speed - looks really nice.
The patch was made with the source r2653, I didn't
install the latest one yet - it's only 2 changes/additions
to one line.
S/Z
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Due to popular demand - also on the first page 3.2b (w/ settings) for trunk r20362+ and plain 3.1 for 1-0-2.
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Posted: 25 Jul 2005 06:44
by peter1138
Hmm, would that not cause a diesel engine that doesn't reach 80mph to always emit "smoke"? Though, of course, being an older model, it might...
Perhaps it could be related to the engine's maximum speed.
Posted: 25 Jul 2005 08:19
by Bjarni
peter1138 wrote:Perhaps it could be related to the engine's maximum speed.
I guess it would be better to relate it to how much power the engine delivers. Even at max speed, you get diesel smoke if you pull say 1000 tons. Maybe the amount should be related to how many HP the engine currently delivers.
Posted: 25 Jul 2005 17:59
by SirkoZ
I agree, just some time ago I saw a train with diesel engine (in my town) and many (>20) carriages, it was some 500 metres from the station it started and it was accelerating (going some 50km/h when I saw it) and it was emitting quite some diesel_smoke.
I'll try to make it, that the diesel_smoke depends more on hp and tonnage of train the engine pulls.
BTW, peter1138, I set the limit of smoke at 79km/h, so the MJS (tiny tropic locomotive) doesn't smoke at full speed (80km/h).
Posted: 25 Jul 2005 18:26
by peter1138
*nod*
I didn't expect it to be in km/h
Posted: 25 Jul 2005 18:38
by Villem
The amount of diesel smoke also depends on the trains configuration.
There are considerable diffrences on diesel smoke emittance between countries, and train models..
Maybe you could work with HackyKid for a feature to allow grf's influence how much diesel smoke a train can emit at max?
Posted: 26 Jul 2005 01:02
by SirkoZ
I could, Akalamanaia, but I honestly don't think the emissions depend too much on diesel trains' type, well - maybe with the older engines, that use fuel less efficiently (more amorphic carbon in exaust).
In any case - here is the improved patch, that takes into account train's speed, weight and power to determine how dense smoke is emitted.
The second locomotive may not emit smoke so often as the first, but I don't know really how to fix it...
Posted: 26 Jul 2005 07:09
by Singaporekid
Woohoo! Always wanted a patch like this!
So what about more steam for the steam locomotives?
Posted: 26 Jul 2005 08:46
by Bjarni
SirkoZ wrote:I could, Akalamanaia, but I honestly don't think the emissions depend too much on diesel trains' type
Believe what you want, but it's a known fact that differerent types of diesel engines (often different manufactors) emits different amount of excaust smoke and different colour of the smoke, but I think this is an overkill for OTTD to include.
Posted: 26 Jul 2005 09:11
by MeusH
SirkoZ wrote:The second locomotive may not emit smoke so often as the first, but I don't know really how to fix it...
like...
Code: Select all
for i=2 to NumberOfTrains do
Train(i) smoke = Train1 smoke;
?
Posted: 26 Jul 2005 09:37
by SirkoZ
Singaporekid wrote:Woohoo! Always wanted a patch like this!
So what about more steam for the steam locomotives?
How much more?
Posted: 26 Jul 2005 09:43
by Singaporekid
SirkoZ wrote:Singaporekid wrote:Woohoo! Always wanted a patch like this!
So what about more steam for the steam locomotives?
How much more?
3 times more?
Maybe you could make a screenie and we'll see from there
Posted: 26 Jul 2005 09:45
by SirkoZ
Bjarni wrote:SirkoZ wrote:I could, Akalamanaia, but I honestly don't think the emissions depend too much on diesel trains' type
Believe what you want, but it's a known fact that differerent types of diesel engines (often different manufactors) emits different amount of excaust smoke and different colour of the smoke, but I think this is an overkill for OTTD to include.
Indeed. You can easily draw some more smoke sprites with colours ranging from blue and even white (cold engine) to black (worn engine) with brown in the middle, but that comes with better .grf support...
Posted: 26 Jul 2005 09:48
by SirkoZ
MeusH wrote:SirkoZ wrote:The second locomotive may not emit smoke so often as the first, but I don't know really how to fix it...
like...
Code: Select all
for i=2 to NumberOfTrains do
Train(i) smoke = Train1 smoke;
?
Thanks - I'll look into it....
Posted: 26 Jul 2005 09:49
by SirkoZ
Singaporekid wrote:SirkoZ wrote:Singaporekid wrote:Woohoo! Always wanted a patch like this!
So what about more steam for the steam locomotives?
How much more?
3 times more?
Maybe you could make a screenie and we'll see from there
OK....will do.
Posted: 26 Jul 2005 11:36
by peter1138
Here's another thought... dunno how realistic it is: sparks could also depend on the vehicles age, i.e. an older vehicle's pantograph could be worn, and cause sparks to be produced more frequently.
Posted: 26 Jul 2005 12:13
by SirkoZ
Good point - will do it...
Posted: 26 Jul 2005 12:45
by Bjarni
SirkoZ wrote:Bjarni wrote:SirkoZ wrote:I could, Akalamanaia, but I honestly don't think the emissions depend too much on diesel trains' type
Believe what you want, but it's a known fact that differerent types of diesel engines (often different manufactors) emits different amount of excaust smoke and different colour of the smoke, but I think this is an overkill for OTTD to include.
Indeed. You can easily draw some more smoke sprites with colours ranging from blue and even white (cold engine) to black (worn engine) with brown in the middle, but that comes with better .grf support...
the white smoke is actually steam made then the hot excaust gas enters the cold excaust pipe.
Black smoke means it burns really badly, often indicating that it burns lubeoil.
It's not just better grf support, which is needed to wary the colour of smoke, we need more than 8 bit colours to make it look nice
As for steam, it would look nice if we got two different sizes of clouds, the current one and a much smaller one. Each time a steam puff is made, it should check speed and then the last big steam puff was made. When braking and standing still, only small clouds are used, then accelerating, a big one is made whenever a piston reaches the end, which means it gradually makes more big ones while accelerating until full speed where only big ones are made
However I think time can be better spent elsewhere
Posted: 26 Jul 2005 12:52
by Bjarni
peter1138 wrote:Here's another thought... dunno how realistic it is: sparks could also depend on the vehicles age, i.e. an older vehicle's pantograph could be worn, and cause sparks to be produced more frequently.
I'm not really sure about this. Pantografs get worn and replaced. They are often younger than the engines themselves, however more sparks are made during the winter since the catenary often get ice on them. Whenever a pantograph hits a tiny piece of ice, it gets nocked off, but the pantograph "jumps" downward for a moment, making an airgap between the pantograph and the catenary. Due to the high voltage and current, a spark/ligthning will show up until they are reconnected
Posted: 26 Jul 2005 12:56
by LordOfThePigs
Yup, and let me tell you that night trips in moutain trains in winter are beautiful. You get some strong green-blue sparks that reflect on the snow, so the whole surroundings of the train, flash from black to green-blue to black.
Really enjoyable... (but sadly, it's quite hard to take of picture of the phenomenon).